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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reposted from elsewhere: the view from America Reply with quote

We here on powerswitch have had many years to come to terms with what is happening. This post from reddit really drove home to me how things must look to youngsters in the US right now. Collapse + Covid19 + entrenched state racism leading to civil unrest. This is beginning to look like an important moment on the way towards collapse. Yes, it is partly US-specific, but maybe the US was always going to lead the charge downwards.

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Honestly, I don't know why, but I've been feeling f***ed up all morning. I just keep thinking about how f***ed my future is and all of my friends futures are. Other than the people I know from HS that were already from rich families and had decent connections, most people I know are basically just f***ed with nowhere to go. Sure, they don't acknowledge it frequently, but if you really prod that's what it is; wageslaves hitting our wall at the ripe old age of 22.

Me? I don't even know what the F--k I'm to do. I'm 22, "worthless" degree (of course, all degrees are basically worthless and the only thing that truly matters is the connections you have), trying to get unemployment for the already shitty job I lost, struggling to find more pathetic retail wageslavery, starting to consider biting the bullet and just selling myself to Jeff Bezos so I can die working in a f***ing DODGY TAX AVOIDERS wage cage. No clue when I'll be able to move out the house either, had my own place with roommates up where my college was, but my college closed, lease ran up, job shutdown.

No clue when/if I'll ever have another relationship with another person, too damned broke to honestly, like, no clue when I'll ever rent another apartment, and, hell, nobody would ever settle down with someone who's broke anyway.

Every day I'm terrified of what I'll do in the far future; even without bloody climate change the threat of homelessness in our "normal" society is bad enough. Honestly I feel the only thing that could have kept me sane was organizing politically, as a socialist, but then COVID showed up and basically made that impossible too; so now I'm hoping maybe I can try some community aid shit, but even then, I also need to find work to survive.

Might even need to do a gap semester for college, and I'm worried if I do I'll never go back.

So, all that being said, I honestly feel like my future is totally f***ed. I've read enough economic theory to understand that my future was basically f***ed before I ever even went to college, honestly before I was ever even born. This meritocracy shite was always a lie; always, it was a lie for my parents' generation and for my generation they can't even keep up the facade. All they do is tell you how the kids I know were rich and well-connected beforehand worked hard, yeah, what a fuckin joke.

Honestly, I see a lot of people my age sometimes fantasizing about war and things like that; and I think I get it now. It's like all those people right before WWI and II, all the poor as shit folks with no prospects and no future seeing the war as better than being poor as shit with nowhere to go; hell, at least it'd be an "adventure".

Me, honestly, I'd rather die than be an DODGY TAX AVOIDERS wageslave, you ever see their patented idea of literally putting warehouse workers in cages? Ever seen their twisted anti-union training videos? This shit is beyond dystopian. I'd rather die in a war, preferably a revolutionary war, but, hell, any war really. I don't even think I'd survive a war, I'm pretty sure I'd die, but it's still better than a life of loneliness, wage slavery, and poverty. A life with no future. Hell, it's better than climate change.

Anyone else my age feel this way? That there's just such a pervasive nothingness and boring dystopia that defines existence that dying in combat is better than living in chains?


https://new.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/ha43n8/do_any_other_young_people_feel_like_theyd_rather/
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he was living in Britain I would suggest he got himself an allotment and grew food for his family. It wouldn't give him a job nor any money but it would bring him a sense of achievement and self esteem which would help him no end in getting a job in the future. An ability to grow his own food in the future could mean the difference between surviving or not in the distopian future we, as well as him, see.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
If he was living in Britain I would suggest he got himself an allotment and grew food for his family. It wouldn't give him a job nor any money but it would bring him a sense of achievement and self esteem which would help him no end in getting a job in the future. An ability to grow his own food in the future could mean the difference between surviving or not in the distopian future we, as well as him, see.


That's not enough when you are 22 and can see no future whatsoever for yourself or your peers. This is how revolutions happen.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:
If he was living in Britain I would suggest he got himself an allotment and grew food for his family. It wouldn't give him a job nor any money but it would bring him a sense of achievement and self esteem which would help him no end in getting a job in the future. An ability to grow his own food in the future could mean the difference between surviving or not in the distopian future we, as well as him, see.


That's not enough when you are 22 and can see no future whatsoever for yourself or your peers. This is how revolutions happen.
It's also how wars and fascism happen
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it is a view from America and not the view from America as I am sure there is a variety of opinion from over there.
I am sure that the US Army or Navy are hiring right now and if he is 22 he is in the correct age band. No prospect of foreign wars for a while and he can learn a trade. I met a lot of ex-military site technicians when I was with GE, and a lot of Americans had been through the US Navy which seemed a good training place for engineering skills. More than a few seemed to be as mad as hatters though.

Agree with him on the tax avoiders who need a bit more taxation.

I think my Engineering degree was quite useful to my present career.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have relatives that pretty much echo that man's post. 20 year old college student home from closed down college, 18 year old sister had a non public high school graduation. He is working third shift at a UPS distribution center and taking one on line course from his college. Sister has picked a college but can't be sure it will even be open in the fall. She may well end up in the military as she did ROTC and drill team in High school and liked it.
All still at home with Mother and three younger siblings. Mother worked in restaurants before Covid as did the oldest daughter. Mother is under a lot of stress and really needs this to end now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A depressing, though unsurprising, thread.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Reposted from elsewhere: the view from America Reply with quote

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I'm 22, "worthless" degree (of course, all degrees are basically worthless and the only thing that truly matters is the connections you have)


Interesting to know what degree he chose...?
There's lots of bad career advice out there, but still think there's value in some subjects, such as Engineering, Electronics, IT etc.
Interesting that he doesn't mention being burdened with debt, but guess that's the case in the US, as well as the UK....

From his obviously left-leaning politics, I don't think the military would be a good option for him...
It's a bit 'old fashioned', but I'd be tempted to advise him to get a trade....
and to get out more..., you never know who you might meet....
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First thing he should do is stop posting emotional drivel in collapse Reddit threads, pleading for others to agree with him. Stop feeding the emotional cannibals pieces of yourself. They feed on fear and angst.

Then stop worrying about the far future, or about 'big' things like climate change. Perhaps by making the present more interesting.

Then realise that practically everybody only cares about themselves and their own little families. Which is perfectly natural and understandable. Stop with the stupid political socialist rubbish. He'll only end up used and abused. Continuing with it won't help him in any meaningful way.

He sounds a social person. Very lucky, so if DODGY TAX AVOIDERS is the only job he can get, take the DODGY TAX AVOIDERS job. Make some friends (or not but no big deal) and stop drifting.

Find a direction to go in, even if it might end up the wrong one. But stop drifting.


During and after the revolution, he'll probably be thinking life wasn't so bad after all.


Or go on a multi-month walk or something. Thinking about old-age or climate change won't seem important when you're dead on your feet. I'm tired and hungry, its too hot, where will I sleep tonight. Eventually he'll stop obsessing on the big things. And fearing the dark less.

Or not, but who cares? Not me!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snail wrote:
Then realise that practically everybody only cares about themselves and their own little families. Which is perfectly natural and understandable. Stop with the stupid political socialist rubbish. He'll only end up used and abused. Continuing with it won't help him in any meaningful way.


Isn't that a very depressing view of the world ?
In my experience lots of people care about others, haven't we just seen loads of great examples during the pandemic ?
It's the 'I'm all right Jack, feck the rest', 'There's no such thing as society' types who've got the planet in this current mess ?
The people with a mentality that chainsaws down rain forests, fly-tips rubbish in the countryside, buy massive gas-guzzling cars, avoid paying their taxes etc.

OK, maybe this chap does come across as being a bit self-pitying, but I read it as a genuine concern about the future...
So...., he should think about how he can be part of the solution, not part of the problem (and avoid that DODGY TAX AVOIDERS job).
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes people do tend to think about their own families future as top priority, but a family has much better chances of success if the whole economy is prosperous
You have to be very rich to think you can win out while the majority starves so for most of us what is good for the majority is good for our family.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps he should take some advice from someone who recognised this problem in the early 1970s.

"Get out there and do something about it, anything will do."

And read my strap line as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
Snail wrote:
Then realise that practically everybody only cares about themselves and their own little families. Which is perfectly natural and understandable. Stop with the stupid political socialist rubbish. He'll only end up used and abused. Continuing with it won't help him in any meaningful way.


Isn't that a very depressing view of the world ?
In my experience lots of people care about others, haven't we just seen loads of great examples during the pandemic ?
It's the 'I'm all right Jack, feck the rest', 'There's no such thing as society' types who've got the planet in this current mess ?


Its more depressing thinking I'm unselfish but surrounded by selfish people and wishing those people were more like me.

Every selfless act made during the coronavirus I could paint (or twist) as an entirely selfish act. But I recognise that I'm ultimately as self-centred as most so its not too despairing.

People do care about others, but only upto a point. I recognise that this is just my viewpoint. I don't find it depressing but more realistic and liberating. I see people in a truer light (i believe anyway) and so understand them better, and am not (so much) at the mercy of my own selfish flaw.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Yes people do tend to think about their own families future as top priority, but a family has much better chances of success if the whole economy is prosperous
You have to be very rich to think you can win out while the majority starves so for most of us what is good for the majority is good for our family.


The way that I look at that is to think of my family as an island and to make that island safer do my best to extend the island into the near community and then on outwards as far as I can. I can't do much about the whole of humanity or even the nation but locally I can influence things. If other people elsewhere are doing the same eventually the spheres of influence will join up and we will all be safer, especially my family.
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