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ReserveGrowthRulz
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:


Which universities offer a degree in climatology?


Well now isn't that an interesting question?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
So Mark has no case to argue, like others here, only attack the person.

Which universities offer a degree in climatology? Any mention of anyone’s credibility in putting a case on climate is dismissed with the comment “so-and-so’s not a climate scientist”. Since the climate is so complex, it is unlikely it could be understood by any one specialist (except for some on this forum of course).

Why isn’t Manhattan flooded, as predicted?

Why isn’t the arctic ice free in the summer as predicted by Hanson, on several occasions?


If you scroll back, I've not just attacked RGR, as tempting as it may be.
I don't claim to be a climate expert, or anything like it, but I've offered reasoned points and supported with links/evidence
RGR thinks everything is OK for the next billion years - that tells you all you need to know

There are a few Universities that offer Climatology - Birmingham, Reading...,
No personal experience, but I'm sure they're reputable and will base their work on the science (IPCC).

If you open your eyes, you'll see plenty of real world evidence of extreme flooding, ice thinning, drought, etc. etc.
Maybe even on your doorstep ?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:

RGR thinks everything is OK for the next billion years - that tells you all you need to know


While I am loath to attack your intelligence, I will happily assail you for misrepresenting my position.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:
woodburner wrote:
So Mark has no case to argue, like others here, only attack the person.

Which universities offer a degree in climatology? Any mention of anyone’s credibility in putting a case on climate is dismissed with the comment “so-and-so’s not a climate scientist”. Since the climate is so complex, it is unlikely it could be understood by any one specialist (except for some on this forum of course).

Why isn’t Manhattan flooded, as predicted?

Why isn’t the arctic ice free in the summer as predicted by Hanson, on several occasions?


If you scroll back, I've not just attacked RGR, as tempting as it may be.
I don't claim to be a climate expert, or anything like it, but I've offered reasoned points and supported with links/evidence
RGR thinks everything is OK for the next billion years - that tells you all you need to know

There are a few Universities that offer Climatology - Birmingham, Reading...,
No personal experience, but I'm sure they're reputable and will base their work on the science (IPCC).

If you open your eyes, you'll see plenty of real world evidence of extreme flooding, ice thinning, drought, etc. etc.
Maybe even on your doorstep ?


I can remember grain crops rotting in the fields just north of Chelmsford one year in the late 1960’s. In 1947 it was a very hot summer, in 1962/63 it was a very cold winter. These are just variations in weather, and don’t forget the 1953 floods on the east coast in the UK. So my eyes are open, and my memory functions, and in scientific terms these so called “extremes” do not constitute evidence of climate change as the alarmists would have us believe. I wouldn’t be too quick to use the IPCC as an appeal to authority if I was you, since the IPCC official, Ottmar Edenhofer, said climate policy was to do with wealth distribution, not environmental protection.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
I can remember grain crops rotting in the fields just north of Chelmsford one year in the late 1960’s. In 1947 it was a very hot summer, in 1962/63 it was a very cold winter. These are just variations in weather, and don’t forget the 1953 floods on the east coast in the UK. So my eyes are open, and my memory functions, and in scientific terms these so called “extremes” do not constitute evidence of climate change as the alarmists would have us believe. I wouldn’t be too quick to use the IPCC as an appeal to authority if I was you, since the IPCC official, Ottmar Edenhofer, said climate policy was to do with wealth distribution, not environmental protection.


Agree, there have always been extreme weather events, but only 'flat earth' types and oil company stooges now deny that man-made climate change is real....
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Freak_waves_flood_homes_in_Marshall_Islands_999.html
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woodburner, you really should do a little independent research of your own before quoting what other people have said rather than going on what you are told by your favorite denier website.

Edenhofer is an advocate of cap and trade which will, de facto, result in a redistribution of wealth. That is a lot different from saying what you alleged he said but then you have little interest in the truth over climate change. What's wrong with a little redistribution of wealth anyway. The current trend of wealth accumulation by the excessively rich will destroy the world economy just as much as climate change will.

You disparaging people here who claim an understanding of the mechanism of climate change while you sit there telling us that you know better than all the world's climate scientists just shows what a twat you really are!

I really would like to see some references for the full quotes that you mention above as when people read the full quotes in context they usually have a completely different meaning to what you infer which is, unfortunately, the way that deniers work. Deceit is the name of your game!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:

Agree, there have always been extreme weather events, but only 'flat earth' types and oil company stooges now deny that man-made climate change is real....


Haven't worked for an oil company for decades now Mark. You can just refer to me as "scientist" if you'd like, or "Mr. Scientist" if you prefer.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:

Why was Y2K a bust?


Ah, ha : I have a rebuttal for RGR.

Y2K was a real problem .. but a hell a lot of very expensive work by many many people ensured that all went well.

In fact, it was a great chance for firms to replace suspect legacy systems with decent modern systems.

Without all that work there would have been some dire results!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
The US has huge areas of "unused" land where wildlife can roam compared to the UK.

A lot of wild land in the US is nevertheless fenced.

A stroll in the countryside is not possible in many areas despite being in the middle of nowhere.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:

Why was Y2K a bust?


Ah, ha : I have a rebuttal for RGR.

Y2K was a real problem .. but a hell a lot of very expensive work by many many people ensured that all went well.


Sounds like the same answer to peak oil. Industry knows alot better how to do what they do then Happy McPeaksters who couldn't even bother to learn the most basic of resource economics.


Vortex2 wrote:

Without all that work there would have been some dire results!


Indeed! And still the same answer for peak oil. You would think peak oil folks would have learned from the Y2K experience, wouldn't you?

Doomers gotta doom I guess.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Mark wrote:

Agree, there have always been extreme weather events, but only 'flat earth' types and oil company stooges now deny that man-made climate change is real....


Haven't worked for an oil company for decades now Mark. You can just refer to me as "scientist" if you'd like, or "Mr. Scientist" if you prefer.


Can´t believe I´m responding to this....
I´m also a ´Scientist´, but that doesn´t automatically make me/you correct.
In any scientific field, there´s always disagreement until the facts are fully known and proved beyond doubt (eg a spherical earth)
However, you will still get those stubborn types or those with a vested interest who will still say that the earth is flat regardless....

Regarding the ´Mr´, that would require respect.
I think you´re well beyond that point on this Forum.... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal wrote:
Woodburner, you really should do a little independent research of your own before quoting what other people have said rather than going on what you are told by your favorite denier website.

Edenhofer is an advocate of cap and trade which will, de facto, result in a redistribution of wealth. That is a lot different from saying what you alleged he said but then you have little interest in the truth over climate change. What's wrong with a little redistribution of wealth anyway. The current trend of wealth accumulation by the excessively rich will destroy the world economy just as much as climate change will.

You disparaging people here who claim an understanding of the mechanism of climate change while you sit there telling us that you know better than all the world's climate scientists just shows what a twat you really are!

I really would like to see some references for the full quotes that you mention above as when people read the full quotes in context they usually have a completely different meaning to what you infer which is, unfortunately, the way that deniers work. Deceit is the name of your game!


You must be concerned that your case is not sound, since despite changing your name, you are still resorting to personal insults, not to mention unsupported extrapolations.

This shows how the system is currently working, and the future intentions You probably won’t have time to look at it because of the need to generate personal attacks.
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