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Mark



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
fuzzy wrote:
And the buffalo are gone


Obviously you have never been to North Dakota. I woke up after a night of peaceful ninja camping while hitchhiking across the country on summer break in college within a dozen yards of a herd of the things. Most disconcerting.

The buffalo are gone...talk about continental buffoonery, I had a buffalo burger just this past summer. I'm betting it came from one of those beasts in that herd that scared the bejesus out of me, all those years ago.


The Bison went from 30 million before your hillbilly ancestors arrived
Down to 325 in 1884 after they'd noshed on them...
To 500,000 today.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Pointing out how us hillbillys took care of our protein needs is hardly arrogant. You got a problem with acquiring protein through the use of traps and a rifle?


My original point was that I was amazed that there is any wildlife at all left standing in the US.
I have no issue with controlled hunting, but is very much depends on the scale, the species being taken and the methods/weapons used.
In the US, firearms are totally uncontrolled, so are often operated by hillbilly idiots.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Never killed a bald eagle, so while I am sure there are problems with them being poisoned, killed or generally mistreated, all of that is illegal, and don't dump off on responsible game hunters the acts of bad folk.

And of course I appreciate the US population density being what it is, our country was founded by folks who wanted nothing to do with rabbit warren conditions of those trapped on some little island.


Because there are so few bald eagles left, maybe ?
Hurry, whilst stocks last Very Happy

What we lack in space, we more than make up for in lots of other ways.....xx
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzzy wrote:
And the buffalo are gone


Obviously you have never been to North Dakota.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:

My original point was that I was amazed that there is any wildlife at all left standing in the US.


You are allowed to be amazed I suppose.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:

Because there are so few bald eagles left, maybe ?


Because...what?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Then obviously, they aren't "gone".

Having woken up alongside a herd of the beasts one fine morning, I already knew this, but thanks for proving it in a more formal way than my anecdotal story.


I didn't say they were 'gone' - scroll back - get your facts right - if you're going to insult somebody, get the correct target.....
But as a 'crack' marksman, you already know the importance of that......xx
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My kids are a little older, and have children of their own, so are interested in sustainable living and a future for the little ones.

I believe that many Americans are self-reliant, probably more-so than most Brits. This is a good attitude, I salute them for it, much better than our nanny-state-culture.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd lay money on a significant portion of Americans fetishising self-sufficiency, but with an equally significant portion of them being nothing of the kind.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:

I didn't say they were 'gone' - scroll back - get your facts right -


Scroll back indeed.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
I'd lay money on a significant portion of Americans fetishising self-sufficiency, but with an equally significant portion of them being nothing of the kind.


I would agree. I would agree even more heartily if we restricted the sample size to the old peak oil gang. Take about fetishizing survivalist nonsense.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:

I believe that many Americans are self-reliant, probably more-so than most Brits. This is a good attitude, I salute them for it, much better than our nanny-state-culture.


Sounds about right.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark wrote:


Appreciate the population density is very different in the US, but there's still no way that the natural environment could support 327 million....
A non-scientific hunch, a few hundred thousand at best, maybe ?
Well the pre 1492 population of indigenous Americans in north America has been estimated to be as high as fifty million that used stone tool agriculture and hunting and gathering methods. I see no reason that similar population levels could not be supported in a post fossil fuel world.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also consider that there are some 93 million head of cattle in the US. Out on the western plains these would run wild in a post apocalypse scenario taking the place of the Buffalo.
As to the youth being unable to cope I find that while the majority have little if any basic survival skills beyond manipulating their cell phone they, when challenged by real problems, step up to the plate and muddle through and learn quickly.
My youngest is a middle school teacher and has this fall taken wheat I grew for her into class and had the students solve the problems of thrashing and grinding it into flour to make a loaf of bread. They have learned quit a bit. No bread yet last time I checked.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with that. People learn fast when they have to
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