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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:36 pm    Post subject: Indigenous People's alternative lifestyle Reply with quote

This is an interesting article in Resilience about how US Indigenous People are looking back to their traditional ways of living to find a way forward instead of adopting capitalist, colonialist ways of living. It looks a damn sight more sustainable than our ways; capitalist, communist or socialist.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting…but very few societies, of very, very few people, have ever worked like that. Humans, for the most part, for most of history, have been rapacious. Even forestry was being cleared in much of the western world when we were in the few millions.

P.S. I always thought it was bison that roamed America, not buffalo?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:
Interesting…but very few societies, of very, very few people, have ever worked like that. Humans, for the most part, for most of history, have been rapacious. Even forestry was being cleared in much of the western world when we were in the few millions.

P.S. I always thought it was bison that roamed America, not buffalo?

You are correct from a scientific standpoint but Americans have always called them buffalo as in buffalo herd or buffalo robe or buffalo nickel.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Along those same lines what Americans call Moose, Swedes call elk and what Americans call elk the Scotch call red stags.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Americans call caribou, Europeans call reindeer.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:
.... Even forestry was being cleared in much of the western world when we were in the few millions.....


That forestry clearance and its change to agriculture was what turned the world away from the next ice age. The CO2 released and not sequestered by forest was enough to warm the world enough to stop the next ice age.
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I read Clive Ponting’s A New Green History of the World and it makes one descend into a slough of despond regarding any hope for my species.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Along those same lines what Americans call Moose, Swedes call elk and what Americans call elk the Scotch call red stags.

Scotch is a drink. The people are Scottish or Scots.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Along those same lines what Americans call Moose, Swedes call elk and what Americans call elk the Scotch call red stags.


Red Deer (Cervus elaphus) are not Moose or Eurasian Elk (Alces alces). In north America "Elk" refers to another species of Cervus (related to Red Deer). Nobody uses the term "red stag".
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Along those same lines what Americans call Moose, Swedes call elk and what Americans call elk the Scotch call red stags.

Scotch is a drink. The people are Scottish or Scots.

Oops Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "elk" of America are Cervus canadensis and there are a couple of minor subspecies here.In Europe the The Altai wapiti (sometimes called the Altai elk by North Americans)is a subspecies of Cervus canadensis found in the forest hills of southern Siberia, northwestern Mongolia, and northern Xinjiang province of China.
The red deer (Cervus elaphus) of Scotland and the rest of Europe is closely related but a separate species and their ranges overlap.
Sorry for the confusion. I was going from memory without a fact checker.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:
I read Clive Ponting’s A New Green History of the World and it makes one descend into a slough of despond regarding any hope for my species.


To cheer yourself up further you could try "1940 - Myth and Reality"

https://books.google.ie/books/about/1940.html?id=_25nAAAAMAAJ

"Britain's "Finest Hour" revealed as a muddle of ineptitude and propaganda. "Thoroughly researched and well written, Clive Ponting's book stands just about every preconceived notion concerning Britain's role in World War II on its head."
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks PV. On the list!
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