PowerSwitch Main Page
PowerSwitch
The UK's Peak Oil Discussion Forum & Community
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Brexit process
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 358, 359, 360, 361  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    PowerSwitch Forum Index -> News
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 12150
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem won't be the importation of high quality US beef it will be the low quality shit stuff, produced on large corporation owned feed lots, fed on various food wastes and pumped full of antibiotics and hormones which will go, mainly, into the junk and processed food markets. This injection of cheap crap beef will push other cheap home reared beef onto the general retail market dropping the price. This price drop will work its way up the chain into the quality beef market so no one will be safe.

Supermarkets are only interested in their bottom line so they won't go overboard on labelling. so if you want to know where your food comes from only buy from a reputable small butcher or direct from a farm.

The answer is to keep protections in place and keep US beef in the US where it will keep their own home prices down and not drop our already low prices any lower. The US should be campaigning for US beef to be kept at home so that their home beef prices don't rise.
_________________
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Little John



Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 8231
Location: UK

PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything that can be made here should be bought from here. Anything that cannot be made here should be imported. Any trade policy should reflect those aims.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
cubes



Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Posts: 703
Location: Norfolk

PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I certainly agree with that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vtsnowedin



Joined: 07 Jan 2011
Posts: 6369
Location: New England ,Chelsea Vermont

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
Anything that can be made here should be bought from here. Anything that cannot be made here should be imported. Any trade policy should reflect those aims.

Can it be made in the UK in sufficient quantities to meet demand at reasonable prices?
Now I do not want to defend the American hot dog or sausage market or their practices but you are as free to not choose to buy those products as I am.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Little John



Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 8231
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
Anything that can be made here should be bought from here. Anything that cannot be made here should be imported. Any trade policy should reflect those aims.

Can it be made in the UK in sufficient quantities to meet demand at reasonable prices?
Now I do not want to defend the American hot dog or sausage market or their practices but you are as free to not choose to buy those products as I am.
The British people can decide that
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
UndercoverElephant



Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Posts: 11085
Location: south east England

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:


Supermarkets are only interested in their bottom line so they won't go overboard on labelling. so if you want to know where your food comes from only buy from a reputable small butcher or direct from a farm.


...which is why supermarkets will have to make a major effort on labeling. If supermarkets like Sainsburys and Tesco want to keep their market share, they'd better make damned sure people can see what kind of meat they are buying. The British public is already suspicious of this, after the BSE scandal and repeated cases of horsemeat being mislabelled as beef.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vtsnowedin



Joined: 07 Jan 2011
Posts: 6369
Location: New England ,Chelsea Vermont

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
Anything that can be made here should be bought from here. Anything that cannot be made here should be imported. Any trade policy should reflect those aims.

Can it be made in the UK in sufficient quantities to meet demand at reasonable prices?
Now I do not want to defend the American hot dog or sausage market or their practices but you are as free to not choose to buy those products as I am.
The British people can decide that
The question then is do the customers get to decide what to buy in the store or will some committee of politicians decide what the stores can and cannot offer.?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Little John



Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 8231
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
Anything that can be made here should be bought from here. Anything that cannot be made here should be imported. Any trade policy should reflect those aims.

Can it be made in the UK in sufficient quantities to meet demand at reasonable prices?
Now I do not want to defend the American hot dog or sausage market or their practices but you are as free to not choose to buy those products as I am.
The British people can decide that
The question then is do the customers get to decide what to buy in the store or will some committee of politicians decide what the stores can and cannot offer.?
That can be decided with democratic elections/referenda and parties whose trade policies may vary.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
vtsnowedin



Joined: 07 Jan 2011
Posts: 6369
Location: New England ,Chelsea Vermont

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
Anything that can be made here should be bought from here. Anything that cannot be made here should be imported. Any trade policy should reflect those aims.

Can it be made in the UK in sufficient quantities to meet demand at reasonable prices?
Now I do not want to defend the American hot dog or sausage market or their practices but you are as free to not choose to buy those products as I am.
The British people can decide that
The question then is do the customers get to decide what to buy in the store or will some committee of politicians decide what the stores can and cannot offer.?
That can be decided with democratic elections/referenda and parties whose trade policies may vary.

It's going to be a long five years.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Little John



Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 8231
Location: UK

PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:
Anything that can be made here should be bought from here. Anything that cannot be made here should be imported. Any trade policy should reflect those aims.

Can it be made in the UK in sufficient quantities to meet demand at reasonable prices?
Now I do not want to defend the American hot dog or sausage market or their practices but you are as free to not choose to buy those products as I am.
The British people can decide that
The question then is do the customers get to decide what to buy in the store or will some committee of politicians decide what the stores can and cannot offer.?
That can be decided with democratic elections/referenda and parties whose trade policies may vary.

It's going to be a long five years.
yes indeed it is
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
Catweazle



Joined: 17 Feb 2008
Posts: 2524
Location: Little England, over the hills

PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really think the people who run the country give a stuff about the quality of our food ?

They just want to keep the shelves full of enough cheap, sugar laden food to pacify us. The people who matter to them can afford the good stuff.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Little John



Joined: 08 Mar 2008
Posts: 8231
Location: UK

PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:
Do you really think the people who run the country give a stuff about the quality of our food ?

They just want to keep the shelves full of enough cheap, sugar laden food to pacify us. The people who matter to them can afford the good stuff.
No, I don't think they give a single solitary f*ck about us. Which is why it is critically important that they are not able to hide behind democratically non-accountable supranational bodies like the EU.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger
eatyourveg



Joined: 15 Jul 2007
Posts: 1284
Location: uk

PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:
Do you really think the people who run the country give a stuff about the quality of our food ?

They just want to keep the shelves full of enough cheap, sugar laden food to pacify us. The people who matter to them can afford the good stuff.


We have a smallish Coop supermarket in the local small town, it's open 8am - 10pm every day. It's a rural area, there are plenty of local producers offering non processed food. The Coop is around 30% booze, 60% highly processed sugar/salt crap, and 10% actual food. It's always busy. They know their audience alright.
The local producers have to work bloody hard to make a basic living.

It's not as if there is an excuse for buying shite, there is massive publicity every day in just about all means of information dissemination regarding what's optimal or sub optimal for your dietary requirements. I don't believe there is any particular 'plot' to keep people pacified, it's done voluntarily through laziness, stupidity or just don't care-ness.

Brexit/No Brexit will make sod all difference.
_________________
"Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools". Douglas Bader.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 12150
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That great Remainer newspaper, the Observer, is reporting today that the IMF has changed its mind over Brexit and is now predicting better growth in the UK than in Europe. It is also reporting that several indicators of good economic performance are good and getting better. So much for our Brexit woes!!
_________________
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
fuzzy



Joined: 29 Nov 2013
Posts: 1339
Location: The Marches, UK

PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's probably so they stiff us with a bigger bill when the ECB needs bailing out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    PowerSwitch Forum Index -> News All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 358, 359, 360, 361  Next
Page 359 of 361

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group