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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spring is coming and with it the first days where it is comfortable to shoot on a range or pursue varmints. It's snowing here tonight again but spring is not far off.
I saw a nice big fox on my drive home tonight, he looked in excellent condition. Got me thinking about some long range shooting.
I've been thinking about spending a bit of time at my loading bench and working up a few rounds for deer hunting next fall plus some lighter faster ones to harass the woodchucks and foxes with.
For deer I think I'll go with my 7x57 Mauser (275 Rigby to you Brits) loaded with 175 grain spirepoints over a load of IMR 4350 for a muzzle velocity of between 2500 and 2600 fps. If I sight those in to be four inches high at 150 yards they will be dead on at 250 yards and only 4.5 inches low at 300 yards. Plus or minus four inches on a deer's chest is no problem.
For the small game, crows , wood chucks etc. I think I'll load up some 120 grain lightly constructed bullets to 3000 fps and sight the Ruger in for 200 yards which will keep flight path withing two inches plus or minus out to about 225 yards and only be eight inches low at 300 yards which is less then the height of a wood chuck sitting up on his mound.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time for a revisit to this thread. I'm waiting for the snow to start here from that storm moving up the coast so have time to go over the hunting season. I've already got Santa to put a new Leopold scope under the tree for my slug gun. Not that the red dot sight I had on it didn't work well for shooting but without any magnification it was no help sorting does from spike horned bucks. In Maryland they want you to shoot the does and let the spike horns walk until they mature into "shooter" bucks.
So what is next?

I'm thinking of buying a bolt action rifled barrel shotgun for my Maryland daughter to have as her shooter to end her being handed unfamiliar guns one day before the season with no time to practice with it.
The model I'm thinking of is the Savage 220 which has a 20 gauge fully rifled barrel and shoots sabot rounds holding a 58 caliber bullet weighing 260 grains(Remington's version, others vary).
See what you think.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now then: you might be just the man for this.

Do you know if there are left-handed handguns (pistols that discharge the shell(?) to the left, revolvers whose chamber(?) comes out on the other side so southpaws can reload swiftly)?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RenewableCandy wrote:
Now then: you might be just the man for this.

Do you know if there are left-handed handguns (pistols that discharge the shell(?) to the left, revolvers whose chamber(?) comes out on the other side so southpaws can reload swiftly)?

https://charterfirearms.com/collections/southpaw

http://cabotgun.com/left-hand-1911s/
Other then these there are not many true left hand handguns.
Many semi auto pistols also have ambidextrous safeties and magazine releases which is enough for most lefties. The Glock pistols are a lefties favorite.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, cheers!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time for an update.
Today I picked up a Savage model 220 20 gauge rifled barreled shotgun for deer hunting in Maryland were rifles are not allowed. The weapon came with a camo synthetic stock and I bought a matching camo Bushnell 3x9x40 scope to mount on it. These rounds fly at 1900 feet per second and can accurately deliver quick kill shots out to 200 yards. Gun, shipping, background check, scope, rings, bases and 15 rounds of ammo set me back $770 USD.
Putting it together tonight I discovered I had picked out ring bases that won't work with this particular scope so I will have to swap them out for one that works. Probable $25 more.
When I get it out to the range I'll report the shooting results.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Time for an update.
Today I picked up a Savage model 220 20 gauge rifled barreled shotgun for deer hunting in Maryland were rifles are not allowed. The weapon came with a camo synthetic stock and I bought a matching camo Bushnell 3x9x40 scope to mount on it. These rounds fly at 1900 feet per second and can accurately deliver quick kill shots out to 200 yards. Gun, shipping, background check, scope, rings, bases and 15 rounds of ammo set me back $770 USD.
Putting it together tonight I discovered I had picked out ring bases that won't work with this particular scope so I will have to swap them out for one that works. Probable $25 more.
When I get it out to the range I'll report the shooting results.

Out of interest, a few questions.
1, What do the background checks entail and what would disqualify you from being able to buy a rifle?
2, If it's illegal to buy the rifle in Maryland is it legal to use it there?
3, How much do the cartridges cost?
4, What sort of spread is there at 200 yards?
Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

careful_eugene wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Time for an update.
Today I picked up a Savage model 220 20 gauge rifled barreled shotgun for deer hunting in Maryland were rifles are not allowed. The weapon came with a camo synthetic stock and I bought a matching camo Bushnell 3x9x40 scope to mount on it. These rounds fly at 1900 feet per second and can accurately deliver quick kill shots out to 200 yards. Gun, shipping, background check, scope, rings, bases and 15 rounds of ammo set me back $770 USD.
Putting it together tonight I discovered I had picked out ring bases that won't work with this particular scope so I will have to swap them out for one that works. Probable $25 more.
When I get it out to the range I'll report the shooting results.

Out of interest, a few questions.
1, What do the background checks entail and what would disqualify you from being able to buy a rifle?
2, If it's illegal to buy the rifle in Maryland is it legal to use it there?
3, How much do the cartridges cost?
4, What sort of spread is there at 200 yards?
Thanks

1. The background check involves filling out a two page form and showing a valid photo ID. Disqualified persons include convicted felons, those convicted of misdemeanor domestic abuse,have been found mentally incompetent, fugitives from justice, drug users, non citizens without a visa or work papers (green cards), etc. It took the store about ten minutes to run the form through the computer data base and get my approval.
2: You can buy and use a rifle in Maryland but not to hunt deer in the counties I hunt in. (too flat and too urban).
3: $3.03 each, more or less depending on brand.
4: To be determined and I will report my results but two to four inches is often claimed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is hilarious (though worrying).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In most places the baiting of deer is illegal, this being defined as the placing of attractive deer food, in order that the deer may be enticed and then shot whilst eating it.
This gives rise to the following joke

"DEER BAITING IS PROHIBITED
This food is placed for exclusive use of small, cute, furry animals.
Any deer found looting this food are liable to be executed"

Notice placed near a pile of corn in deer country.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
In most places the baiting of deer is illegal, this being defined as the placing of attractive deer food, in order that the deer may be enticed and then shot whilst eating it.
This gives rise to the following joke

"DEER BAITING IS PROHIBITED
This food is placed for exclusive use of small, cute, furry animals.
Any deer found looting this food are liable to be executed"

Notice placed near a pile of corn in deer country.


Yes I've seen that one.

It varies from state to state and in some states by what animal is being hunted. In Vermont putting out a pile of food such as corn or apples or salt and hunting over it is forbidden but planting a plot with a food crop such as clover or soybeans is allowed as the plot is there for a much longer time and the wildlife benefits from it. So far, I have one very fat wood chuck and several hundred song birds that are well fed in addition to about eight deer of all ages. I will not have to harvest any sunflower seeds as they are rapidly being picked out by the gold finches and morning doves. I also expect to not have a single bean pod to harvest as the deer are mowing down a new section of the plot each night.
Also I won't be hunting directly over the plot as the deer are using it as a midnight buffet. I have to find the place they spend the twilight in between where they bed down during the day and the food plot.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should come and shoot pigeons in the UK. They are like flying pot bellied pigs over here.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzzy wrote:
You should come and shoot pigeons in the UK. They are like flying pot bellied pigs over here.


And Canada geese are larger still, stupid, and good to eat.

Seagulls are plentiful but are not considered edible except by the desperate, my neighbour shoots them for his dogs to eat.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't ever gotten into water fowl hunting but here is plenty of that down on the farm in Maryland. Here we hunt wild turkey and ruffed grouse though I can't say Ive been very successful with either species.
Tonight I was planting a late food plot I plowed up the other day and noticed that the turkeys had worked over the plowed ground looking for worms and even seemed to have taken dust bathes and preened out a few feathers judging by the oval depressions in the harrowed earth and the tracks and feathers.
A walk through my old orchard and scrub land with a shotgun will usually include a partridge (ruffed grouse) exploding out of the bush in front of you so fast you can't mount the gun and get a shot off. The early bear season is open and the archery deer season opens October 6th. So little time , so much to do.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzzy wrote:
You should come and shoot pigeons in the UK. They are like flying pot bellied pigs over here.

I would have nightmares trying to bring my shotgun through Heathrow.
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