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biffvernon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
as they did in the Grammar/secondary modern system in which I grew up.
And which part of that system did you grow up in, Ken?
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Little John



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
The problem with people not wanting to do certain jobs is the fault of the education system. we teach children that an academic education is the only one worth while. If they aren't academic there is nothing else for them so they fail completely rather than go on to get a good vocational training as they did in the Grammar/secondary modern system in which I grew up. By not offering them an alternative to academia we are teaching them that it's not worth doing.
No, the problem of people not wanting to do certain jobs is because they don't pay enough to put a secure and reliable roof over one's head, pay the bills and and raise a family.

On the other hand, if you are someone fleeing a shit-hole somewhere else in the world, living three families to a house, renting off a scum landlord and bed sharing etc might seem like a better deal. Or, if you are a migrant worker who is prepared to live in a tin hut on the edge of a field for three months in the summer season, before taking your earnings back to your home country where they will go a lot further than they would over here, again this might seem like a good deal.

Or, are you suggesting that is what our indigenous and established working class should be prepared to accept for the privilege of getting job and they should just get on with it and stop winging?
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AutomaticEarth



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:
The problem with people not wanting to do certain jobs is the fault of the education system. we teach children that an academic education is the only one worth while. If they aren't academic there is nothing else for them so they fail completely rather than go on to get a good vocational training as they did in the Grammar/secondary modern system in which I grew up. By not offering them an alternative to academia we are teaching them that it's not worth doing.
No, the problem of people not wanting to do certain jobs is because they don't pay enough to put a secure and reliable roof over one's head, pay the bills and and raise a family.

On the other hand, if you are someone fleeing a shit-hole somewhere else in the world, living three families to a house, renting off a scum landlord and bed sharing etc might seem like a better deal. Or, if you are a migrant worker who is prepared to live in a tin hut on the edge of a field for three months in the summer season, before taking your earnings back to your home country where they will go a lot further than they would over here, again this might seem like a good deal.

Or, are you suggesting that is what our indigenous and established working class should be prepared to accept for the privilege of getting job and they should just get on with it and stop winging?


The low-wage / low skill jobs, before the era of low-skill immigration, were typically done by young people who generally moved up the ladder in later years as they gain additional skills / and experience. That was certainly my experience.

But that is now not possible as there will typically be someone who will do this for cheaper, and not necessarily better, from some shit-hole somewhere (as you correctly point out).

Well, for everyone who wished for open borders, your wish has come true. I just feel sorry for the young / disadvantaged.

You can, or course, always give UKIP a shot. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're joking..right?

Farage and his crew do not want to do away with low pay and conditions for workers via the closing the borders to low skilled immigrants. Instead they simply want all social safety nets taken away from indigenous workers such that they will be forced to accept the pay and conditions endured by poor immigrants who are currently the only ones desperate enough to accept them.

Farage is as much a neo-con as the rest of them. He just has a big dollop of xenophobia thrown in on the side for good measure.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/07/ukip-100-second-places-may-election-nigel-farage

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Ukip on track for 100-plus second places across England

Analysis predicts huge breakthrough as Nigel Farage provides main threat to three parties

Aarrrgh!!!! That ******'s on track alright. Evil or Very Mad

As Russell Brand said:

Quote:
This man is not a cartoon character. He aint Del Boy. He aint Arthur Daley. He is a pound-shop Enoch Powell, and weve got to watch him"
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3rdRock wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/07/ukip-100-second-places-may-election-nigel-farage

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Ukip on track for 100-plus second places across England

Analysis predicts huge breakthrough as Nigel Farage provides main threat to three parties

Aarrrgh!!!! That ******'s on track alright. Evil or Very Mad

As Russell Brand said:

Quote:
This man is not a cartoon character. He aint Del Boy. He aint Arthur Daley. He is a pound-shop Enoch Powell, and weve got to watch him"


Well, what do you expect?

I would say that 100 second places is a bit high IMHO. According to the UKIP talking head (Mark Reckless) on the article it is a bit low. We will see.

As for Russell Brand - is he now a politician? What are HIS policies? OK, not voting is good if you're in his position, but what about for everyone else? He had a great looking wife but she's gone.

End of the day, IMHO UKIP is no worse than the SNP. I can or cannot vote UKIP. I have no say on the SNP. Not good IMHO.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if we had listened to enoch powell lee rigby would still be alive and with his family not run over and beheaded .
1000s of little white girls wouldnt have been raped, threatened with being burned alive and then sold round to a alien imported community .

We didnt listen to enoch powell, although enough powell when he was in military intelligence was I think the most promoted man in the british army in world war two, and was tipped to be a viceroy of india, and rightly forecast in 1942 community violence and india breaking apart .
he was right in india you had 20 million homeless 1 million dead and conflict between india and pakistan since independence, that could go nuclear at any time .

So he actually had a track record of getting it right and the people you seem to admire have a track record of what, making the uk more like the balkans.

Any terrorism in the uk from imported jihadis is not enochs fault, they would not be in the uk or europe if people had listened to him, any civil war will not be enoch's, or the edl, or ukip, or bnp's fault
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
You're joking..right?

Farage and his crew do not want to do away with low pay and conditions for workers via the closing the borders to low skilled immigrants. Instead they simply want all social safety nets taken away from indigenous workers such that they will be forced to accept the pay and conditions endured by poor immigrants who are currently the only ones desperate enough to accept them.

Farage is as much a neo-con as the rest of them. He just has a big dollop of xenophobia thrown in on the side for good measure.


Yes, LJ I was joking.

However, for a split second, I thought you might have come out from your socialist bunker an embraced others viewpoints Smile

But yes you do have a point. Neo-cons, are a pain in the arse, but what about neo-socs - are they any better?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And now...UKiP's Stuart Agnew goes one up on Victoria Ayling's 'what happens when the renewable energy runs out'.

Look here.

a certain UKiP tool wrote:
'Decarbonising Europe' is absolute madness: our crops need carbon dioxide to grow


And people vote for these retards?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG (as they say).
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nigel Farage would axe 'much of' race discrimination laws

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31846453

Rolling Eyes I'd like to axe Nigel Farage. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a kind of perverse agreement with him, get rid of all the laws and paperwork etc etc.

We need one simple rule: no discrimination of any kind anywhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:
In a kind of perverse agreement with him, get rid of all the laws and paperwork etc etc.

We need one simple rule: no discrimination of any kind anywhere.

Very Happy A pronouncement worthy of Abraham Lincoln.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/nigel-farage-will-quit-as-ukip-leader-if-he-fails-to-win-a-seat-at-general-election-10109927.html

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Nigel Farage will quit as Ukip leader if he fails to win a Parliamentary seat at the general election in May.

The Ukip leader has admitted it will be curtains for his tenure at the helm of the Eurosceptic party if he does not win the South Thanet seat in two months.

I live in hope. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ukip caused this I suppose http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/child-sex-abuse-gangs-could-5114029

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/child-sex-abuse-gangs-could-5114029 retired 30 year police officer says abuse much bigger in sheffield than rotherham but its being covered up.

ukip caused that too, no it was anti racists wasnt it. bringing in hundreds of thousands of pedophiles and then covering up that they were raping white kids for decades.

Shocked estimated 1 in 6 uk muslims between 20 and 46 a child sex rapist, the local labour mp thinks maybe a million child victims .
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