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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billhook wrote:
Sadly CBC has the recent Indian floods' deathtoll dead wrong.


Yes, I suspect the death toll may be much higher than anyone can estimate.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The population of India is rising by 50,000 a day. These tragic deaths will have knocked that back by 6 hours max.

Misguided population control measures in the 1970s have made the topic politically toxic in India. The Indian sub-continent will be a dire place 20 years from now.
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Alberta to help victims in flood zones for last time as province urges people to rebuild on higher ground

More here.

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But the government says homeowners in a flood fringe who do not implement mitigation measures to protect against a one-in-100-year flood will not be eligible for the same assistance if theres another flood.


There we go again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph - I'm afraid you're mistaken about the 6hrs offset -

The degree of damage, with reports of 450 villages destroyed or battered,
with huge numbers of peoples' homes, businesses, livestock and farmland wiped out,
will impose an impoverishment that will predictably generate increased childbirth.

This has to be the most perverse of all climate feedbacks in my view.

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biffvernon wrote:
And so to China:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/china-floods-death-toll-rises?CMP=twt_gu
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Flooding in Sichuan was the worst for 50 years in some areas of the province, with more than 100,000 people forced to evacuate their homes.


More flooding expected in China.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pakistan flood deaths

They're used to monsoons but apparently things are getting worse.

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This, after all, is hardly the first time the country has experienced either rain or floods. We, have been experiencing devastating floods for the past two or three years,

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'Atmospheric rivers'

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In California, where atmospheric rivers (ARs) have already been assessed, the climate models predict that the number of years with these features will increase. To discover what could happen in Europe the models were tested against the known flooding events between 1980 and 2005, and the researchers found that they could accurately simulate what actually happened.

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North Korea floods kill 13 people.

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A Beijing-based representative of the International Federation of the Red Cross Monday said 10,000 people were displaced in the Anju region of South Pyongan province when a river burst its banks.

Francis Markus said the Red Cross was sending tarps, water purification tables and hygiene kits to survivors in Anju, where 80 percent of the city was under two meters of water.

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Calderdale again.
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And Burma. And Indonesia.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one flood or series of floods can be blamed on CC, disasterous floods have occured since long before anyone had heard of climate change.

However the overall increase in the number and severity of floods does very strongly suggest a changing climate.

So called 100 year floods are now happening every few years in many places.

Not only do higher sea temperatures lead to more evaporation, and thus more percipitation, but the higher air temperatures increases the amount of rain relative to snow.
Snow falling on high ground usually melts fairly slowly without causing downstream flooding.
If the same amount of water falls as rain, it tends to run off at once and cause destructive floods.

Later on, drought may be a problem without the slow steady snow melt to provide water all year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
No one flood or series of floods can be blamed on CC


I understand. As one blogger wrote, if you need evidence of climate change, watch insurers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam - the standard line pushed by Obama, the prevaricators and the self censorship brigade has been:
"No single extreme weather even can be blamed on climate change"

when the accurate (honest) assessment was that:
"No single extreme weather event can be blamed solely on climate destabilization."

But in the last few years with the accelerating loss of the Arctic ice in summer,
the reality is now that:

"With anthropogenic global warming having destabilized the jetstream that governs the northern hemisphere's weather,
all weather events we experience, including both 'normal' and increasingly common extreme ones,
are the product of society's pollution of the ecosphere."

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:24 pm    Post subject: Drought watch Reply with quote

We should also have a 'drought watch' thread...



http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/new-mexico-reservoir-has-just-3-percent-water-it-held-1980s-and-90s.html

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The severe drought in the US Southwest has driven farmers to take extremes to gain access to water. Now, Katie Valentine at Think Progress looks at how the growing water crisis has affected New Mexico's Elephant Butte reservoir, which "currently holds just 3 percent of the water it held in the 1980s and 1990s":
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, for a moment I thought that was Stroud, Gloucestershire.
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