PowerSwitch Main Page
PowerSwitch
The UK's Peak Oil Discussion Forum & Community
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Cooking in rural Africa
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    PowerSwitch Forum Index -> Living in the Future
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 11065
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you already have the setup OK. But if you're a poverty stricken African this is unlikely to be the case so why not encourage them to go down the cheaper more sustainable route?
_________________
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
adam2
Site Admin


Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 7129
Location: North Somerset

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Africans in question are fairly well off by local standards, but as PV modules get cheaper this sort of thing will become more and more affordable.
A 200 watt PV module can be purchased for as little as £200, a few months income.
Only VERY poor people now have less than 100 watts of PV, and arrays of 1KW and more are no longer rare.
The problem until recently was the cost of the DC/DC converter, they have fallen from about £100 to about £15 in a few years.

The electric slow cooker works without attention for hours, allowing the wife to watch goats, care for children and shoot pigeons.
(there is ANOTHER plague of pigeons devouring everything, the local people allege that the pests are from London. A high power air rifle is the favoured way of killing the birds)
_________________
"Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RenewableCandy



Joined: 12 Sep 2007
Posts: 12654
Location: York

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a bloke here who feeds the pigeons by the river. I wish the City Council would 'move him on'.
_________________
Soyez réaliste. Demandez l'impossible.
Stories
The Price of Time
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 11065
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
................ and shoot pigeons.
(there is ANOTHER plague of pigeons devouring everything, the local people allege that the pests are from London. A high power air rifle is the favoured way of killing the birds)


Food aid from London then? Hope they don't waste it.

If it allows wifey to work elsewhere I suppose that it OK then.
_________________
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
adam2
Site Admin


Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 7129
Location: North Somerset

PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"food aid" indeed ! the local people refer light heartedly to the pigeons as being biological warfare, sent by other countries to destroy crops.

The pests are killed and eaten and make a useful supplement to the diet, but the destruction of crops is a serious concern.

The pigeons also destroy thatched roofs, try and nest inside buildings, are generally a nuisance.
Kids catch the birds alive and release them during lessons at school, which is considered hugely entertaining !
_________________
"Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kenneal - lagger
Site Admin


Joined: 20 Sep 2006
Posts: 11065
Location: Newbury, Berkshire

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to Barcelona last year and to the Sagrada Família. There are thousands of people and equal numbers of pigeons wandering around outside and among those people was an old woman. She was notable because she was giving the pigeons food and then grabbing them one a time, wringing their necks and popping them in her bag. Only a few people realised what she was doing but no one complained. Do that in Trafalgar Square and she would be lynched!! Different cultures I suppose.
_________________
Action is the antidote to despair - Joan Baez
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
adam2
Site Admin


Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 7129
Location: North Somerset

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just heard from Ghana via my former neighbours in London, whom are originally from Ghana.

Electric cooking is increasingly popular as both the PV modules and the other equipment continue to reduce in price.

A pair of 250 watt modules can power a large fridge, lighting, and limited electric cooking.
Induction cooking rings are becoming the norm, with LPG increasingly being considered only as standby fuel due to the cost.
LPG lighting is now VERY last century.
I have recently sent out to Ghana some AMBER LED light bulbs for the lighting of outdoor activities without attracting insects.

A terrible accident occurred in which "strong insect killer" was accidently added to a stew in place of salt. Several persons died.
The accident was blamed on poor lighting in the community building where the food was being prepared.
_________________
"Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
clv101
Site Admin


Joined: 24 Nov 2005
Posts: 8043

PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, we've cooked exclusively on solar electric (oven, induction hobs, kettle, toaster) since March this year. No LPG or mains electricity on site.

... and we don't even live in the tropics!
_________________
PowerSwitch on Facebook | The Oil Drum | Twitter | Blog
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
adam2
Site Admin


Joined: 02 Jul 2007
Posts: 7129
Location: North Somerset

PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Improvements are underway after the fatal accident.

The village school has had solar powered electric lights and other equipment for some years.
In the school grounds is a tin roofed shack used for cooking. It was placed some distance away from the school building in case of fire.
As the intended use was only in daylight, no lighting was installed.

The school is however now used in the evenings for various purposes, and food prepared in the dark. This led to the fatalities in which insect killer was accidently added to the food.

As a short term measure I have urged that a decent electric light be powered from the main building via an extension lead.
An LPG light would also help in the short term.

A new PV system is planned, shared between the cook house and two about to be constructed houses.
Probably 12 volt, due to the greater familiarity with that voltage.
Whilst a higher voltage would in theory be preferable, there is a strong preference for 12 volts on the grounds of safety, simplicity, and already existing 12 volt equipment.
_________________
"Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more"
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    PowerSwitch Forum Index -> Living in the Future All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3
Page 3 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group