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Lord Beria3
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 Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:40 pm Post subject: Fukushimas nuclear reactor problems continue |
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http://digitaljournal.com/article/324349
| Quote: | The Fukushima reactor and radiation levels remain an ongoing issue; a physicist warns Japans leadership about nuclear facility as new problems emerge at the power plant.
Furthermore, radiation has been detected in the drinking water of some US Cities and Reactor 4s imminent collapse could create a mass extinction for both humans and animals.
According to ENENEWS, a nuclear physicist warns that even if Japans Fukushima plant survives another major quake, failure of jury-rigged inadequate piping installed after disaster could put cooling system out of commission. Both the US and Japanese governments fibbed about the severity of the disaster and the Japanese people were exposed to serious radiation levels following this tragedy. The mainstream media in the US and Japan is not aggressively covering this ongoing disaster because this catastrophic damage could trigger mass panic and public protest against unstable nuclear facilities. Huge sections of Japan could become a wasteland with radiation pouring down Americas west coast region. The current warnings are not going out about this danger, according to ENENEWS.
The Birmingham Weekly reported that new problems emerged at the Fukushima facility. In December 2011, Japans Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda declared that the Fukushima nuclear facility had been deactivated and the crisis was now over. However, Mr. Nodas positive declaration was premature. According to nuclear engineer and former power company executive Arnie Gunderson, the Prime Ministers statement was similar to President George Bush declaring mission accomplished on the deck of the USS Lincoln in 2003. Gunderson says the Fukushima situation remains a long battle, far from over. Analysts fear that this disaster is ongoing and may send radioactive fallout worldwide.
Forbes reported that radiation from Japan has been detected in drinking water in 13 more American cities, and cesium-137 has been found in American milk for the first time since the Japan nuclear disaster began, according to data released by the Environmental Protection Agency. The Fukushima disaster could decorate Americas west coast region with dangerous levels of radiation.
According to Christina Consolo, an award-winning biomedical photographer and host of Nuked Radio, Reactor 4 has remained in a dangerous condition and any small earthquake could quickly destroy the structure, distributing fuel from roughly 1,500 unused fuel rods into the Earths environment. With Reactor 4 still filled with the maximum concentrations of radioactive MOX and other fuels, its potential collapse could be far more apocalyptic than any prior disaster resulting from past earthquakes and tsunamis, according to Natural News.
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The Fukushima facility has many fuel rods still filled with unspent fuel. If the fuel is radioactive MOX, there would be enough radiation in just one rod to kill millions of people. Worst case scenario involves the integrity and safety of the rods, which are made of low quality materials accompanied with poor maintenance. This situation means that any major earthquake could cause massive damage to the rods. Additionally, if all of the rods rupture simultaneously, this cataclysmic disaster could mean the annihilation of many life forms on planet Earth. |
No idea if this report is true, but even if a bit of it is, then it is very worrying.
IF it was true, then the Japonese government would have good reason to keep it quiet, otherwise 30 million people living in Toyko could panic and start fleeing.
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biffvernon
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Let's just be clear, reactor 4 is actually empty! It the water-filled storage tank next to it that is problematic. It's rather important that it doesn't collapse - which is why they've been shoring it up.
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JavaScriptDonkey
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Japanese engineers have been managing to run these reactors for decades without blowing up the world.
Tsunami death count......18,000
Fukusima death count......0
| Quote: | | Reactor 4s imminent collapse could create a mass extinction for both humans and animals |
and pigs could fly if they grew wings. |
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SleeperService
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| JavaScriptDonkey wrote: | Japanese engineers have been managing to run these reactors for decades without blowing up the world.
Tsunami death count......18,000
Fukusima death count......0
| Quote: | | Reactor 4s imminent collapse could create a mass extinction for both humans and animals |
and pigs could fly if they grew wings. |
+1  Ever since 1945 there's been radiation present in drinking water (and the air we breathe). Maybe the US has just noticed it? 
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Any release or escape of the significant amounts of radioactive materials could probably render the local area unsafe, but a "mass extinction event" no way.
Probably would not even be noticeable in the UK, let alone have any serious effects.
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This topic has been quiet for a while, but Fukushima continues. A little digging found https://www.facebook.com/groups/FUKUSHIMAUPDATE/ which led to http://galeriasinarte.blogspot.co.uk with pictures apparently of plant mutations in Mexico. Expanding the comments in the facebook link reveals more.
More here and Why we should fear the worst fom Fukushima Item 50 may reveal something, but difficult to capture and quote here.
Claims of fallout over Europe justified? Difficult to say as it seems France has quite a few problems with its plant, and they want to build another one at, er, Hinkley. Great, just what we need .
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| Quote: | And there is distressing news out of Fukushima recently, about the number of kids getting thyroid cancer (a sign of radiation poisoning).
At the end of January, a new video was posted on You tube about the real health impacts at the triple melt-down in Fukushima Japan. A resident there, Chieko Shiina said the Japanese government and health authorities are trying to hide a huge spike in thyroid cancer in children living near the accident site.
The Japanese government does not want the health impacts to get out, because they want to restart dozens of shut-down reactors, mainly to save money to import natural gas. Will the Japanese public let them re-start those reactors, some of them also damaged during the 2011 Tsunami? |
What a mess 
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fuzzy
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ENEnews and Enformable are still doing a good job of collating nuclear news
http://enformable.com/
Personally in the UK I have considered where fish comes from since Fuki and would only buy tinned fish from the Atlantic. Does Alaskan Salmon swim in the current flow?
http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2004/03/01/05mar_arctic_resources/currents1.jpg
Keeping tins for a few years would seem prudent. I think much of our 'fresh' UK fish is SE Asia farmed. Maybe we deserve what we could get for buying from this intensive eco-disaster. |
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Eek!! I like Alaskan smoked salmon. Wild, so not pumped with chemicals like Scottish farmed salmon. No, just probably loaded to the eyeballs with radio isotopes. They will almost certainly consume the fallout, and this would seem to confirm it, but if you read the government agency reports they claim, (likewise the comments at the end of the link) Alaskan seafood is safe to eat. While some probably is, I suspect as time goes on the fallout will become distributed all around the Pacific rim, so nowhere will be safe, though this could be from sources other than Fukushima, such as the pollution China is pouring into its rivers.
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Reported widely yesterday that UK childhood cancer rates have rsien 40% in the last 18 years, from all sources.
I'm not sure what the rate was before, but with obesity reaching epidemic levels as well as continued air pollution in cities, and far more chemicals in our environment and food, there could be many causes other than nuclear radiation. (eg. microwave radiation from mobiles etc.). |
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| PS_RalphW wrote: | Reported widely yesterday that UK childhood cancer rates have rsien 40% in the last 18 years, from all sources.
I'm not sure what the rate was before, but with obesity reaching epidemic levels as well as continued air pollution in cities, and far more chemicals in our environment and food, there could be many causes other than nuclear radiation. (eg. microwave radiation from mobiles etc.). |
This should really be under another topic as the childhood cancers in Japan which have shown a dramatic increase are thyroid cancers which can be shown to be related to Fukushima by the isotopes that are found in the tissues. UK causes are not so easily identified. An increase of 40% represents a still small risk in the wider world, though not of course a comfort for families affected.
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Just one more reason why nuclear is never a good idea.
| Quote: | The sole water source in their remote home of Supai Village is the pristine creek. It comes from seeps and springs gravitating out of a vast aquifer, or natural underground reservoir, in the Arizona bedrock on the southern edge of the canyon.
The Havasupai water their beans, corn, melon, peach trees, horses and mules squeezed on to the strip of land they inhabit between the sandstone rock faces.
Tourists from all over the world snap up the limited number of visitor permits made available annually by the Havasupai and hike down a nine-mile trail in order to bathe in the fabled waters.
What they don’t realize is that way above, on that plateau of bedrock within the Grand Canyon watershed, sitting on top of the same aquifer, is a uranium mine preparing to go into production. |
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https://actions.sumofus.org/a/japan-stop-tepco-dumping-nuclear-waste-in-the-pacific
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Tell the Japanese government: don’t dump nuclear waste into the ocean!
The Fukushima disaster keeps unfolding.
Tens of thousands of lives lost. Hundreds of thousands evacuated from their homes. An environment devastated by radiation -- and now, TEPCO wants to dump hundreds of thousands of tonnes of radioactive water into the Pacific Ocean.
TEPCO is the energy giant who failed to meet the basic safety requirements that might have prevented the Fukushima Daichii emergency generators from failing when the tsunami hit in 2011.
It goes without saying: the consequences of dumping more nuclear waste into the marine ecosystem would be catastrophic.
But it’s not too late to stop this impending ecocide: the Japanese government still needs to give TEPCO the green light.
After the Fukushima disaster, the Japanese government has been under constant pressure from local residents. Now, with support from around the world, we can help shine a spotlight and plead with them to stop TEPCO’s dangerous plans.
Fragile marine ecosystems are at stake. Since the Fukushima disaster, contamination in the local marine food chain has not generally improved. 40% of species remain unfit for consumption, according to Japanese standards, which have been relaxed since the disaster.
Each day, 300 tonnes of water wash through the Fukushima reactors, cooling them down and collecting a slew of radioactive material along the way.
While some of the contaminants can be filtered out, the water cannot be cleaned from tritium -- a radioactive form of hydrogen -- resulting in nearly a million tonnes of highly radioactive waste water.
Fishermen who operate in waters off the plant say any release of radioactive material will devastate an industry that is still struggling to recover from the initial nuclear disaster.
And now TEPCO is planning to release this massive toxic dump into the ocean.
We cannot allow the energy giant partly responsible for the biggest nuclear catastrophe since Chernobyl to continue wrecking the Pacific ecosystem -- and the lives that depend on it.
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Except that is a load of b*ll*cks, is it not?
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It goes without saying: the consequences of dumping more nuclear waste into the marine ecosystem would be catastrophic.
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That's handy, isn't it? If it goes without saying, you don't have to bother thinking too hard about whether or not it is actually true. And in this case it is the diametric opposite of the truth.
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But it’s not too late to stop this impending ecocide:
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Right. So it claims to be trying to prevent the destruction of the marine ecosystem off Japan's coast. But would it? Did the Chernobyl disaster destroy the local ecosystem? Nope, it did the exact opposite - what it did was make the area unsafe for humans, and it was immediately and drastically reclaimed by the wild world. It actually delivered a signifcant area of land back to the wild ecosystem, from human control.
| Quote: | | After the Fukushima disaster, the Japanese government has been under constant pressure from local residents. |
Ah, that'll be humans, not the marine or any other ecosystem.
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Since the Fukushima disaster, contamination in the local marine food chain has not generally improved. 40% of species remain unfit for consumption, |
So, the problem is not the ecosystem, but the fact that humans can no longer plunder that ecosystem for our own benefit. Green Movement? Is it about the environment any more, or is it all about making sure humans can go on using the wild world however we like?
| Quote: | | Fishermen who operate in waters off the plant say any release of radioactive material will devastate an industry that is still struggling to recover from the initial nuclear disaster. |
Ah yes, the fishing industry. Those wonderful protectors of marine ecosystems who aren't responsible for chronically depleting fish stocks - and anything else they can sell - all around the globe. We now have "save the fishing industry" totally mixed up with "save the marine ecosystem".
The truth is that dumping this low level radioactive waste into the sea near Fukushima would be seriously bad news for the local human population, but just about the best things possible for the local wildlife. Ecocide it is not. |
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johnhemming2
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| UndercoverElephant wrote: |
The truth is that dumping this low level radioactive waste into the sea near Fukushima would be seriously bad news for the local human population, but just about the best things possible for the local wildlife. Ecocide it is not. |
I am not sure it is even seriously bad news for the local human population. However, I am open to a proper scientific analysis of the data. |
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