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The end of the free Internet - almost upon us
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mobbsey



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTJunkie has just closed down. OK, so there was a lot of copyright stuff on there, but I found it a really useful source of copyright-free/public domain resources on post-peak/low impact living (scans of out-of-copyright engineering manuals, homesteading books, etc. -- there's a whole community of people collecting, digitising and sharing useful information to tackle the energy descent/ecological 'limits' era).

That's the problem about the copyright lobby -- not only do their not care if they restrict copyright-free information being shared, in practice it's in their economic interest to restrict such free sources of information.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.

Where does the stuff go, when BTJunkie and the like closes? What do they do with it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:
Where does the stuff go, when BTJunkie and the like closes? What do they do with it?

Torrent sites don't hold the data -- all they have is the tracking file that describes the data. It's the seeder who makes the data available who holds the primary copy, which is then mirrored to everyone else in the peer network.

My Intranet is now about 2 terabytes. A lot of that is data collected as part of my work but I've a fair few gigabytes of "free" data from peer-to-peer file sharing with others around the world. Even if they close all the torrent sites, or block torrenting via the phone network completely (it's technologically do-able, but BT and others don't want to because it's used for many completely lawful purposes), I and many "data mavens" like me will still have copies. All we need then is another means of sharing -- e.g. we could go back to the good old fashioned sneakernet system.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see, thanks mobbsey.

It's a little like on our local WAN, fed by wireless from a link in town (those of us in the sticks will never get fibre optic or anything like it). One of our pet nerds has around 7 terabytes of...things...which we can share.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tribler is getting some attention - way to go!

http://torrentfreak.com/tribler-makes-bittorrent-impossible-to-shut-down-120208/

The only way to take it down is to take the Internet down, the lead researcher says.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eatyourveg wrote:
Tribler is getting some attention - way to go!

Sounds like FreeNet (see also Wikipedia), set-up by Ian Clarke around 2000. I came across it in 2002 when working with groups in central Asia -- it was the easiest way to distribute information and get around state censorship.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eatyourveg wrote:
Tribler is getting some attention - way to go!

http://torrentfreak.com/tribler-makes-bittorrent-impossible-to-shut-down-120208/

The only way to take it down is to take the Internet down, the lead researcher says.


Could they tell whether a given person is using Tribler? If so, then, although they might not be able to disable the technology, they could simply arrest anyone who used it. A couple of high-profile arrests, and everybody else would stay well clear. As we are seeing, most people care a lot more for their personal security than for their civil rights.

Or maybe they would just shut down the Internet Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freenet is non-robust. It relies on distributing your data throughout several nodes in encrypted format. Not only does this carry a risk of corruption during encoding but it means that your data can be rendered useless by simply shutting down a popular node in the network. Authorities don't need to know what the data is - that it is participating in a freenet would be enough to shut it down after capturing the data stream for a while.
That is why the darknet version was needed but even here it is possible to track the IP connections back to the associated nodes even if the exact nature of the data is never known.

There is also the distributed blame problem in that if there is any illegal material stored in the freenet then every node in that network can be said to be participating in the storage and hence every user is guilty of the same crime.

Do you trust your life and freedom to somebody else's encryption standards?

Being inside an onion is the only way that springs to mind of being secure but even then you have to implicitly trust the start and end nodes.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ludwig wrote:
eatyourveg wrote:
Tribler is getting some attention - way to go!

http://torrentfreak.com/tribler-makes-bittorrent-impossible-to-shut-down-120208/

The only way to take it down is to take the Internet down, the lead researcher says.


Could they tell whether a given person is using Tribler? If so, then, although they might not be able to disable the technology, they could simply arrest anyone who used it. A couple of high-profile arrests, and everybody else would stay well clear. As we are seeing, most people care a lot more for their personal security than for their civil rights.

Or maybe they would just shut down the Internet Smile


They can tell if you are using tribbler or any other torrent software from your traffic profile even if they can't sniff the individual packets.

Stopping someone from using tribbler is a simple as choking their bandwidth for everything that isn't web traffic or email. However torrenting is just another form of (genius) downloading so isn't illegal.

What you download is another question.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems the problem is spreading from the US

http://killacta.org/
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffvernon wrote:
Seems the problem is spreading from the US

http://killacta.org/


"The easiest way to control the opposition is to lead it." - Lenin.

Be wary of all high-profile opposition to the the new laws, and in particular avoid any organisation that uses black, white and red in its logos and designs. (Look around and you will notice an increase in these recently.) I know it sounds silly, but the whole thing is bother sillier and more serious than people imagine.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

More on the European approach:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/02/on-eve-of-protests-germany-backs-away-from-acta.ars

(Careful, Ludwig, contains black, white and red, or at least orange.)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another American assault on British culture, using the copyright weapon:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-17350103

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A popular pub and music venue called The Hobbit has been threatened with legal action by US movie lawyers.

The Southampton pub has been accused of copyright infringement by lawyers representing the Saul Zaentz Company (SZC) in California.

The company owns the worldwide rights to several brands associated with author JRR Tolkien, including The Hobbit and The Lord of The Rings.

Landlady Stella Mary Roberts said: "I can't fight Hollywood."

The pub in Portswood, which is popular with students, has traded with the name for more than 20 years.


But we've got Stephen Fry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/9142332/Stephen-Fry-accused-film-industry-of-bullying-over-Hobbit-pub-row.html
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Hobbit story is plainly ridiculous - surely the pub should be suing Hollywood because (afaics) they've been using the name longer than our fascist friends?

Clearly, we're in an era of "control the little guys and the bigs guys will look after themselves."
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their mistake was to use Elijah Wood. That's the movie.
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