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Catweazle



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snail wrote:
What's happening is all very strange to put it kindly.


It certainly is. The global governments reaction has been fairly consistently more than I expected. I have assumed it was because they have access to more information than I do.
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Snail



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What like? They know it's been engineered and so know what its long-term effects are? Or they monitored china very closely during its wave and continue to do so. Or china has told a few select governments some things not in the public domain? Or top scientists in the field have found certain things but been hushed up? Etc

Yes, if governments know more than we do then maybe their response isn't an over-reaction. I can jive with that.

But it's in or close to conspiracy theory territory, Imo

Face value the response seems absurdly damaging to me. I've yet to see anything which challenges my view.


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Little John



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02599-5

Quote:
How COVID-19 can damage the brain
So

No mention of ages or other comorbidities. But, we may reasonably assume the majority were already elderly and frail and so would likely present with a variety of neurological disorders in any event.

An admission that these patients were selected for neurological problems and were not randomly sampled.

That's 125 out of god knows how many tens of thousands of people who have had the virus sufficiently seriously as to present to the medical profession who were not randomly sampled but were hunted out and is an almost infinitesimal fraction of the total number of people infected with Covid 19 - the vast majority of whom are asymptomatic or as near as dammit.

More, vague, hand waving bullshit.

Do you know what fraction of people who contract, say, pneumonia from influenza present with similar subsidiary symptoms?

No, of course you don't.
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vtsnowedin



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
I don't see why not. His analysis is based on the data. Which specific part of that analysis do you take issue with?

I notice he does not bring on any USA data which is a comparable sample size and will not fit his curves well at all. He wants the pubs open and I understand his position but the facts are not quite as good for his position as he makes out.
Not that the MSM position is even closely aligned with the facts so the truth is somewhere in between.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly off topic:
I just participated in the best public meeting I've participated in in thirty five years. At most public meetings as a floor voter or an elected official ( I have been both repeatedly) you are just rubber stamping things that have to BE. You have to buy the winter sand (grit as you call it) and you have to plow the snow. (every time it snows) and you have to hire the people that do the daily work even if only one applies for the job. The often expressed point is that a school board member's only real choice is the color of the pencils to buy as all other things are ordained by the state or union contracts.
But tonight the board of civil authority, which I sit on as an elected Justice of the peace, was asked to move the towns polling place to a fairgrounds so that the recently combined school district could hold a third vote on their budget with a in person floor voice vote between now and the general election on November third.
The venue using six foot social distancing can accommodate 200 people. There are 1900 registered voters in the combined school district.
That proposal did not even get a motion for passage and in effect we told the combined school board "Hell no"
Our finest hour.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is hotting up:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/16/from-blue-shirts-to-brown/
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone might want to pay this:

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/

Personally I wouldn't pay the criminals myself.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02599-5

Quote:
How COVID-19 can damage the brain
So

No mention of ages or other comorbidities. But, we may reasonably assume the majority were already elderly and frail and so would likely present with a variety of neurological disorders in any event.

An admission that these patients were selected for neurological problems and were not randomly sampled.

That's 125 out of god knows how many tens of thousands of people who have had the virus sufficiently seriously as to present to the medical profession who were not randomly sampled but were hunted out and is an almost infinitesimal fraction of the total number of people infected with Covid 19 - the vast majority of whom are asymptomatic or as near as dammit.

More, vague, hand waving bullshit.

Do you know what fraction of people who contract, say, pneumonia from influenza present with similar subsidiary symptoms?

No, of course you don't.


All I did was post a link to a scientific paper, Steve. You aren't a scientist, and neither am I.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Monday I had the experience of booking and attending a drive-in covid test after I was in contact with a parishioner who later tested positive.

While the rest of the country seemed to have no access to tests, I booked and attended one within a couple of hours, 30 min from my home, and I got the result today (negative) about 50 hours after the test.

While driving, I listened on the radio to an endless stream of people saying they were being asked to drive 300 miles for a test, or there were simply none available, but here in Cornwall I was offered three locations within an hour's journey, with a total of 50 slots available between them.

I know Cornwall has a v low level of infections, but it still seems odd that we have no problem getting immediate tests while the rest of the country seems to be finding it impossible. I thought we were better at JIT logistics than this? We manage to move parcels from online retailers everywhere in just a few hours - why are tests so hard?
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Little John



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02599-5

Quote:
How COVID-19 can damage the brain
So

No mention of ages or other comorbidities. But, we may reasonably assume the majority were already elderly and frail and so would likely present with a variety of neurological disorders in any event.

An admission that these patients were selected for neurological problems and were not randomly sampled.

That's 125 out of god knows how many tens of thousands of people who have had the virus sufficiently seriously as to present to the medical profession who were not randomly sampled but were hunted out and is an almost infinitesimal fraction of the total number of people infected with Covid 19 - the vast majority of whom are asymptomatic or as near as dammit.

More, vague, hand waving bullshit.

Do you know what fraction of people who contract, say, pneumonia from influenza present with similar subsidiary symptoms?

No, of course you don't.


All I did was post a link to a scientific paper, Steve. You aren't a scientist, and neither am I.
My degree was in psychology at the university of York, specialising in neuropsychology and evolutionary psychology. So, speak for yourself. I understand the scientific method perfectly well and also what constitutes scientific evidence

But, then so do you so stop pretending you don't.
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Mark



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RevdTess wrote:
I thought we were better at JIT logistics than this? We manage to move parcels from online retailers everywhere in just a few hours - why are tests so hard?


HMG prefers the JTL approach...,
This article explains the current situation quite well:
https://www.ft.com/content/45a559bd-ec00-426b-9f05-ac962ba49375

The bottleneck seems to be with the Lab Testing.
Heard some Epidemiologist saying that we're not using the existing capacity very efficiently.
For example, in schools, care homes etc. you could swab in groups of 5/10/20 and just do 1 Lab Test for each group.
If there's a positive - then go back and do them all individually.

Also, heard somebody interviewed on TV - tried to book a test - no joy
(Falsely) changed the settings to identify themselves as a Key Worker - no problem
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02599-5

Quote:
How COVID-19 can damage the brain
So

No mention of ages or other comorbidities. But, we may reasonably assume the majority were already elderly and frail and so would likely present with a variety of neurological disorders in any event.

An admission that these patients were selected for neurological problems and were not randomly sampled.

That's 125 out of god knows how many tens of thousands of people who have had the virus sufficiently seriously as to present to the medical profession who were not randomly sampled but were hunted out and is an almost infinitesimal fraction of the total number of people infected with Covid 19 - the vast majority of whom are asymptomatic or as near as dammit.

More, vague, hand waving bullshit.

Do you know what fraction of people who contract, say, pneumonia from influenza present with similar subsidiary symptoms?

No, of course you don't.


All I did was post a link to a scientific paper, Steve. You aren't a scientist, and neither am I.
My degree was in psychology at the university of York, specialising in neuropsychology and evolutionary psychology. So, speak for yourself. I understand the scientific method perfectly well and also what constitutes scientific evidence

But, then so do you so stop pretending you don't.


OK, let me rephrase that.

Please stop stinking up this board. It's actually a really nice internet space to be, apart from your continual attitude problem.
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Little John



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02599-5

Quote:
How COVID-19 can damage the brain
So

No mention of ages or other comorbidities. But, we may reasonably assume the majority were already elderly and frail and so would likely present with a variety of neurological disorders in any event.

An admission that these patients were selected for neurological problems and were not randomly sampled.

That's 125 out of god knows how many tens of thousands of people who have had the virus sufficiently seriously as to present to the medical profession who were not randomly sampled but were hunted out and is an almost infinitesimal fraction of the total number of people infected with Covid 19 - the vast majority of whom are asymptomatic or as near as dammit.

More, vague, hand waving bullshit.

Do you know what fraction of people who contract, say, pneumonia from influenza present with similar subsidiary symptoms?

No, of course you don't.


All I did was post a link to a scientific paper, Steve. You aren't a scientist, and neither am I.
My degree was in psychology at the university of York, specialising in neuropsychology and evolutionary psychology. So, speak for yourself. I understand the scientific method perfectly well and also what constitutes scientific evidence

But, then so do you so stop pretending you don't.


OK, let me rephrase that.

Please stop stinking up this board. It's actually a really nice internet space to be, apart from your continual attitude problem.
Rightho....Laughing

Meanwhile, perhaps you'd care to show the scientific evidence demonstrating significant neurological problems systematically present in anyone who gets Covid19 in that article you linked to.
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Snail



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From another forum:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

You don't need them by law, but official exemption cards and badges to print out.
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Little John



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not worn a face covering in "a relevant place" since this shitty little law was brought in:

Corona Virus act July 2020 - "The wearing of a face-covering in a relevant place"

Exemption 4aii

Where putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause severe psychological distress
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