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Little John



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, CLV, got any evidence to produce yet?

Aerosol size can be as small as 0.004mm. Thus, a virus particle in an aerosol could pass through a paper or cloth mask in a manner akin to a bee flying through a chicken wire fence.

Let me save you the bother on the evidence front CLV:

N99.5 A2P3 on face fitted half-face respirator. Ideally with positive air pressure.

Minimum requirement.


Anything else is bollocks.

So, to repeat, are you really that dumb or do you have an agenda?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just the UK is Fawlty towers:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/how-jared-kushners-secret-testing-plan-went-poof-into-thin-air
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve, LJ, the respirator you are talking about above has a different function to the face mask that most of the rest of us are quite happy to wear. The respirator which you are talking about is designed to protect the wearer from contamination from others, hence the positive pressure to ensure no outside unfiltered air gets in. The face masks which we are being asked to wear are to protect others from us, the wearer. Positive pressure would be counter productive in that aim.

You seem to be lacking in understanding on this! Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Steve, LJ, the respirator you are talking about above has a different function to the face mask that most of the rest of us are quite happy to wear. The respirator which you are talking about is designed to protect the wearer from contamination from others, hence the positive pressure to ensure no outside unfiltered air gets in. The face masks which we are being asked to wear are to protect others from us, the wearer. Positive pressure would be counter productive in that aim.

You seem to be lacking in understanding on this! Wink
It's both. You are getting sillier and more desperate with each post
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't take life so seriously, LJ. You'll never get out of it alive!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Don't take life so seriously, LJ. You'll never get out of it alive!
Stop trying to pretend the biggest economic contraction in possibly three hundred years, the biggest row back of liberties since the democratic franchise was won for all and the potential death of tens of thousands - not on the back of Covid 19 - but on the back of that lock down and economic contraction - is a joke.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest economic contraction is no joke but it is a necessity in view of the climate crisis and the deaths are no joke either but the rest, which you take so seriously is, I'm afraid LJ, a joke to many contributors here.

If wearing a mask is an assault on our civil liberties how are the TPTB going to identity those breaking their laws if we are wearing a mask? It won't be through my mobile phone in my case because I take the battery out when I move around and sometimes at home as well to confound the evil bastards! Trouble is, people don't seem to want to contact me now!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:


Interesting photo, does it have any provenance ? I ask because the scale bar shows 2mm, and the photo pretends to be from an electron microscope but shown the mask threads in colour. Also, the threads are unfeasably small if measured against the virus, too small to produce or weave.

I think it's a fake.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also suspect a fake.
It purports to be from an electron microscope, which gives only monochrome images unless colour is added by later manipulation.
The fibers of the material look to too well spaced to be any likely material from which to construct a medical mask.
The gaps between the fibers are several times greater than the fiber diameter. Ordinary woven cotton as used for bed sheets etc is woven a lot more closely than that.
Looks like cheese cloth or other special purpose cloth.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It cannot possibly be fake because LJ is always right about everything.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had hoped that he was joking.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the WHO's 'Interim Guidance' on the use of masks (from 5th June):
https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/332293

Advice for the general public is on Page 6.
Their findings seem to be 'mixed'....
Draw your own conclusions.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK now things are getting serious.
Up until now I have seen no real food shortages or shortages of any kind other then cleaning products and toilet paper. But things are changing. A friend that drinks a different beer brand then I do complained last week that stores were out of his brand. Yesterday shopping in a different direction then he ever would I noticed two thirty packs of his Canadian brand so picked one up for him. But there was only the two and none in other package sizes. Today going in the other direction I went into a beer cave that had a sign on the door apologizing for the shortage of some stock blaming it on supply line issues of packaging etc. This beer cave had about a quarter of it's normal stock level in it and even my local brand brewed just 70 miles away had limited package sizes in stock.
Now you want to cause an armed revolt? Just let the red necks run out of beer.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/melanie-arter/cdc-director-i-think-youre-correct-about-inflated-covid-death

A bit like England.

Do australians now have to wear masks outside? A bit daft if so. Corona craze daft. The relevant numbers are miniscule.

Might have to choose between pubs and children going to school. New quarantine regime for returnees from Spain. Wonder if the vaccine will be appearing sooner than expected and this is a way to ramp up desperation for it.

Seven St Mirren fc staff test positive but 6 test negative after retest. These false positives happen a lot in sport. Lucky they retest.


I was skim reading some of this thread again when it contained more critical thinking. Until a number of posters became too firm in their thinking. I wonder if vortex has ventured outside yet? Apart from the bank visits for free money, of course Wink . Who else did ok from this? No one here died from it? How...improbable.

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The biggest economic contraction is no joke but it is a necessity in view of the climate crisis

Climate crisis? Most people reckon it was all about coronavirus.

About beer. I've actually stocked up a bit in some luxury stuff like beer as another lockdown wouldn't surprise me.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to an item on the BBC South News a study on the likelihood of catching covid on trains showed that there was little chance of catching the disease and that it is reduced by wearing a mask..
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