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Ebola outbreak, and other potential epidemics
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But with vaccination against diseases such as polio the disease has been eradicated worldwide through a long term vaccination program (supposedly!). I don't know if there is a reservoir for measles in animals or whether it is just the fact of low rates of immunization that has allowed it to regain a foothold. As to the possible connection with autism, will see in the next few years about that.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there is the conundrum of whether it is better for a few kids to be autistic than for tens of them to die for lack of vaccination.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Autism is an appalling condition. It condemns people to a lifetime of unhappiness as a consequence of not "fitting in". However, that unhappiness is more than matched by the unhappiness of those unfortunate enough to have to live with them. This is not absolutely true for all autistic people all of the time, obviously. But, the probability of the above being true is very much higher than for non autistic people
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
But with vaccination against diseases such as polio the disease has been eradicated worldwide through a long term vaccination program (supposedly!). I don't know if there is a reservoir for measles in animals or whether it is just the fact of low rates of immunization that has allowed it to regain a foothold. As to the possible connection with autism, will see in the next few years about that.


Polio, tetanus etc have different lives from measles, which is a disease of population density. I agree that we should not be vaccinating for any diseases which are not high risk. Our immune systems need a natural workout, herd resistance and evolution. Vaccines are pushed by the gravy train of commerce.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
But with vaccination against diseases such as polio the disease has been eradicated worldwide through a long term vaccination program (supposedly!). I don't know if there is a reservoir for measles in animals or whether it is just the fact of low rates of immunization that has allowed it to regain a foothold. As to the possible connection with autism, will see in the next few years about that.


Yes polio has been eradicated. Or has it? Maybe it has, but then the current term is AFP (Acute Flaccid Paralysis). So what is this? A rose by any other name perhaps. India has tens of thousands of cases.

If you want to understand vaccine risks and some details on measles there is a series of 25 short lectures starting at https://youtu.be/Dte4kTabLz8. The wild measles virus which most of us caught and then became immune to is very different from the vaccine strains. It appears unlikely we will acquire immunity to the vaccine strains, and many of the outbreaks are in populations which have been vaccinated. The diagnosis is usually not measles in those cases as “they have been vaccinated so they must be immune”.

What is “low rates of immunization”? This is careless use of worts as vaccination does not equal immunization. Vested interests would like you think they are the same, but antibodies do not, on their own, prevent the contraction of a disease.

Back to ebola, Merck has a vaccine on the market, er, which could cause virus shedding so transmitting the disease they claim to prevent https://www.greenmedinfo.health/blog/fda-approves-mercks-new-live-ebola-vaccine-which-it-says-can-shed-and-cause-immun
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
Then there is the conundrum of whether it is better for a few kids to be autistic than for tens of them to die for lack of vaccination.


There are also the many more than tens of children who die shortly after vaccination. There have never been any long term random controlled studies to determine the safety of vaccines
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