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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One positive from this election so far is that the serious flaws in FPTP are more evidence than ever before. The fact that millions of people aren't going to see the party they want on the voting booth will highlight it still further.

Maybe we're moving closer to some from of PR?


PR has been shown in most countries where it is used to result in hung elections and coalition governments. So in this country we would end up with a Labour government in coalition with the SNP and LibDems but with a leader that no one had voted for because Corbyn and his policies would have been ousted at the behest of Swinson and the LibDems. Corbyn supporting Labour voters would have been disenfranchised.

Or the Tories might get in with support from the Brexit party, UKIP and some other right wing lunatics (as you see in Israel). PR could lead to the rise of right wing parties as it would give them more chance of even small success at the ballot box rather then being a waste of a vote as now. It would push the Tories to the right, as has happened to centre right parties in Israel where parties with one or two MPs get to decide who governs.

How is that any more democratic than what we have now?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

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General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all


Labour's manifesto is going to be something special. They are going to bring in a new tax on DODGY TAX AVOIDERS and Google to pay for free broadband.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. All these pledges seem rather vague and implementable in the near future when, in all liklihood, corbyn won't be around.

Anyway. That's a naked bribe to stay in the eu.

I can get mobile broadband on my phone for not much money. Why do people want or need home broadband anyway. For shitflix, computer games, and other things.... Wink

I'll only vote for labour for £10,000. No-strings for me to spend on anything I want, and credited to myself within 2019. Thats my offer Corbyn.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snail wrote:


Anyway. That's a naked bribe to stay in the eu.



I don't think it has anything to do with brexit.

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Why do people want or need home broadband anyway.


I use it all the time, both for work and finding out what is going on in the world.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah, I was doing that on dial-up. My phone has a wireless hotspot so I can use a laptop with it anyway.

I've reduced my offer to £7500, and that's my minimum.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seams Brexit Party has also stood down in a significant number of Labour held marginals. Most likely they won't win more than 5 seats, maybe even none at all. Tory majority looking most likely, Labour majority highly unlikely.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
Seams Brexit Party has also stood down in a significant number of Labour held marginals. Most likely they won't win more than 5 seats, maybe even none at all. Tory majority looking most likely, Labour majority highly unlikely.


I stand by my prediction of a hung parliament leading to a corbyn-led minority Labour government. Although I do wonder now whether Swinson's endless anti-Corbyn rhetoric may sufficiently annoy Labour supporters in tory-libdem marginals that they will now vote Labour instead of tactically supporting libdems. That could make it much easier for the tories to hold on to seats in the south, and they might even take a few back off the libdems.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am pleased that my prediction of Johnson being parachuted into a safe seat proved wrong.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lord-buckethead-count-binface-uxbridge-south-ruislip-general-election-boris-johnson-a9204681.html

"The stakes are very high in the constituency of Uxbridge and South Ruislip where Boris Johnson will be praying for re-election.

But away from what promises to be a close fight between Labour and the Conservatives, another battle royale is underway: The gripping showdown between prospective parliamentary candidates Lord Buckethead and Count Binface."
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

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General election 2019: Labour pledges free broadband for all


Labour's manifesto is going to be something special. They are going to bring in a new tax on DODGY TAX AVOIDERS and Google to pay for free broadband.


Is the free broadband instead of the free unicorn for every child, or in addition ?

More seriously, I very much doubt that that this will work, the cost will far exceed the initial estimates, and I very much doubt a new government will be able to tax large internet related businesses that are either already based overseas, or soon will be.

Confiscating shares in BT wont go down very well with the millions of small investors, even if it is called "issuing bonds in place of shares"
And as the costs balloon, due no doubt to the "greed of the fat cat privateers" actually doing the physical work, then these firms will have to be nationalised also.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It won't happen, it's well down the list of priorities I bet.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonathan Pie Election Week 2
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much of the investment in utilities comes from the pension funds of NHS, postal, civil service and other workers, so nationalising them is going to hit working and retired Labour voters in the pocket. The Labour assumption that fat cats are the only ones who invest in the stock exchange is very much wide of the mark and will come back to bite them if they succeed in their endeavours.

Re taxing the internet companies, the retail ones like the unmentionable one could be effectively taxed with a tax on volume of sales which are eventually delivered in this country, with no let offs or get out clauses. If the tax were to apply to all retailers there could be a reduction in Corporation Tax so that UK based and shop based retailers who are paying tax at the moment would be able to keep prices constant and only the tax dodgers would have to put up prices.

The Big River could double their prices for all I care because I never use them and anyone who does should be penalised for abetting in putting British companies out of business.

The unseemly rush to give aways is beginning to sound like the Greek elections.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/17/view-from-uxbridge-young-voters-battle-to-oust-boris-johnson

Big push to unseat Johnson. If he loses then we're heading for some serious chaos, especially if the tories are short of a majority. We're still hurtling towards another article 50 deadline.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnson is reading notes... hasn't even learnt his opening statement!

Awful response from Corbyn regarding how he'd campaign in any 2nd referendum.

Weak from the pair of them. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
Johnson is reading notes... hasn't even learnt his opening statement!


Same with closing statement. Corbyn looked like he was reading from an autocue, but had memorised it.

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Awful response from Corbyn regarding how he'd campaign in any 2nd referendum.


I don't see what was wrong with it. Why does it matter which side Corbyn will personally campaign for? Why can't he remain neutral as the person offering the country a genuine choice and hoping to bring the two sides back together again afterwards?
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