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| UndercoverElephant wrote: | It's over. He's been arrested.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/11/julian-assange-arrested-at-ecuadorian-embassy-wikileaks
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Extradition request from US confirmed
Scotland Yard has confirmed that Assange was arrested on behalf of the US after receiving a request for his extradition.
In a statement it said:
Julian Assange, 47, (03.07.71) has today, Thursday 11 April, been further arrested on behalf of the United States authorities, at 10:53hrs after his arrival at a central London police station. This is an extradition warrant under Section 73 of the Extradition Act. He will appear in custody at Westminster Magistrates’ Court as soon as possible.
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This is a shameful day for British politics as well as the people who put those politicians in place and keep them there.
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kenneal - lagger
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What happened to laws protecting whistle blowers?
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UndercoverElephant
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Indictment unsealed:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charged-computer-hacking-conspiracy
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WikiLeaks Founder Charged in Computer Hacking Conspiracy
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Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.
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So the maximum penalty he faces in the US is less than the time he already spent in the embassy?? |
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vtsnowedin
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Other charges maybe added on later so his troubles may grow.
His best bet is full disclosure before Congress in exchange for a minimal sentence or even just a fine. |
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Little John
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| the "maximum penalty" has been set this low so as to have a muting effect on public protest. Once the unutterable ***** get their hands on him, that will change. |
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UndercoverElephant
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| vtsnowedin wrote: |
His best bet is full disclosure before Congress in exchange for a minimal sentence or even just a fine. |
A reminder: Assange is an Australian national who has broken no relevant Australian or British laws. Why the hell should he disclose anything to the US congress? Why the hell does America have any right to charge him with anything at all? Why the F--k should a non-American person who whistle blows on American war crimes face any charges whatsoever in America? |
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vtsnowedin
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| One sides whistle blower is the other sides spy committing espionage, and both the thief and the recipient of the stolen property have committed a crime even if the recipient receives it over the internet. |
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UndercoverElephant
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| vtsnowedin wrote: | One sides whistle blower is the other sides spy committing espionage
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That statement would only make sense if it was illegal to spy on foreign powers. America has no jurisdiction here. Why on earth do you believe it should be possible to prosecute a foreign national for espionage when all relevant acts happened abroad? Imagine Assange had exposed Russian war crimes. Are you seriously telling me you'd support Assange being extradited from London to Russia, to face espionage charges at the Kremlin? Because if you aren't, you're a gross hypocrite. |
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Little John
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| vtsnowedin wrote: | | One sides whistle blower is the other sides spy committing espionage, and both the thief and the recipient of the stolen property have committed a crime even if the recipient receives it over the internet. |
The utter betrayal of Julian Assange for merely being a conduit of the truth shows that international fascism is now a reality and that your shitty governing class is at the centre of it and if you support what has happened to Assange, then that would make you a supporter of that fascism and beyond contempt. |
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Little John
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| Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| raspberry-blower wrote: | | https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/assange-has-been-arrested-for-us-extradition-the-time-to-act-is-now-aad3578ee82d?fbclid=IwAR1W3nC22Er6Rqhri1Sv9QiHzWAgCWT9Jr3kJgyFWDYLs0nTtXHauhuo9xk |
| Quote: | | This is it, folks. This is where we find out what we’re made of as a species. This is where we find out if humanity gets to survive, and if it deserves to. If we can’t stop the empire from imprisoning a journalist for publishing facts right in front of our eyes, we might as well roll over and tap out right now, because if we lose this one it’s never going to get any better from there. If we can’t pass this test, the oligarchs and the opaque government agencies which are allied with them will march us into extinction or Orwellian dystopia, and there’ll be no tool in our toolbox to stop them. We need to seriously dig deep on this one. |
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UndercoverElephant
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https://www.amnesty.ie/julian-assange-must-not-be-extradited-to-the-us/
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Following the announcement of Julian Assange’s arrest, and request for extradition to the United States, Massimo Moratti, Amnesty International’s Deputy Director for Research in Europe, said:
“Amnesty International calls on the UK to refuse to extradite or send in any other manner Julian Assange to the USA where there is a very real risk that he could face human rights violations, including detention conditions that would violate the absolute prohibition of torture and other ill-treatment and an unfair trial followed by possible execution, due to his work with Wikileaks.
“We are aware of allegations of rape and other sexual violence against Julian Assange, which should be properly investigated in a way that respects the rights of both the complainants and the accused and be brought to justice if there is sufficient evidence against him. If Sweden decides to pursue an extradition of Mr. Assange from the UK, there must be adequate assurances that he would not be extradited or otherwise sent to the USA.”
“It remains unclear what formal process took place to allow the UK authorities to enter the Ecuadorian embassy and detain Julian Assange, who had reportedly had his Ecuadorian citizenship suspended yesterday. We urge the UK authorities to comply with the assurances provided to Ecuador that he would not be sent anywhere he could face the death penalty, torture or other ill-treatment.”
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careful_eugene
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| Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| vtsnowedin wrote: | | One sides whistle blower is the other sides spy committing espionage, and both the thief and the recipient of the stolen property have committed a crime even if the recipient receives it over the internet. |
I think this is about the US showing the rest of the world who's boss, and our subservient government enabling and supporting that position. Julian Assange should absolutely not be extradited to the US, rather some of the war crimes exposed by him should be investigated (I don't know whether this has already happened but I suspect not).
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vtsnowedin
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| Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| I don't see extradition treaties between countries as placing one subservient to the other. You would not want some American hacking into MI6's computers and spilling classified information with impunity because they sat at a computer in New York. |
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Vortex2
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| Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:16 am Post subject: |
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In this case maybe we need a Judgement Of Solomon?
Return his passport, free him on bail and stand clear. |
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