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Are we heading for a united Ireland?

 
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UndercoverElephant



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:08 am    Post subject: Are we heading for a united Ireland? Reply with quote

I have come to the conclusion that we are heading for a United Ireland much sooner than most people think thinkable. By going into coalition with the tories, at a critical moment for Brexit, I think the DUP has dug its own grave.

https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/06/24/how-has-opinion-in-northern-ireland-on-the-border-question-changed-since-the-brexit-referendum/

The fact that Corbyn is both pro-unification and anti-EU is important. Right now, the DUP have quite a lot of power. They have abused it, and as a result, they are dinosaurs.

No need for a border in Ireland. The UK doesn't need northern ireland.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that is quite right. All that has happened is that "don't know" position appears to have shifted to a "united Ireland position, while the "stay in the UK" position, though initially falling slightly, has now gained back most of its lost ground. In other words, the polarization of politics in the mainland is being reflected in Irish politics.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bear in mind that 'problem' over the border in Ireland gets vastly overstated - it's political, not physical - actual trade between the two entities is minuscule.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Physical movement trade may be small, but it's the multinationals, the EU etc who want to keep the vague distinction. This is exactly what the city of london and whitehall always want. Is it the UK or not? Guernsey, Jersey, Caymans, Gibraltar - it's all about shuffling hidden piles.
People from outside GB might wonder why we are called UK, GB, B, E/S/W etc. The answer is that it's all about the same people from the East India co, the plantations, Hong kong/Shanghai etc. Why does the EU love Luxembourg, Lichenstein and Southern Ireland etc?

In all UK supermarkets, our food etc. is labelled 'British'. The reason behind that is meat/produce/goods etc is imported into [or just traded into] low tax Southern Irish areas. They then are traded into N Irish or E/S/W or 'crown dependency' ownership [ or maybe Switzerland if it's Tesco's or somewhere else for Llidl etc]. It then can be 'British' because there is freedom of trade in the EU. It's all gravy to the scum, and they want their vague trading zones the way they are - see Ama-you-know-who etc. This is who want's the border to stay.


See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_the_British_Isles
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The UK doesn't need Northern Ireland. It doesn't need Scotland. It doesn't need Wales. Does it need the north of England. Etc. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, NI has cost English taxpayers massive money and continues to do so.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right. It is most vital to think economically. Ni is presently an economic basket case. An unprofitable parasite on English taxpayers. Time to get rid!










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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ireland doesn't need Northern Ireland. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew, that'll be a relief for the majority who want to remain British.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snail wrote:
Phew, that'll be a relief for the majority who want to remain British.


If the cost of remaining British is a hard border, there won't be a majority anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UndercoverElephant wrote:

If the cost of remaining British is a hard border, there won't be a majority anymore.


Have you ever been to Ulster? Marvellous place, My favourite accent of the entire of the UK!

But on the majority question, have a google of Ulster tower in Thiepval, Northern France.

The land around the tower gifted to the province by the French government is allowed to fly the union flag 365 days a year without the EU or French flags being flown.

I would not write off 400 years of history so casually.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stumuz1 wrote:
I would not write off 400 years of history so casually.


This is true. The majority southern Irish are very forgiving and simply happy to have peace on the island. There's a vicious minority in NI, so impenetrably loyal to the British crown, that would undo that peace in an instant.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The conclusion I am coming to is that reunification of Ireland would in reality only benefit Britain. At a stroke a major Britex impediment would disappear along with the substantial nett annual financial transfers from London to Belfast.

Ironically it would probably most damage the Shinners who would, UKIP like, lose a major reason for existing.

One sign that this may not happen anytime soon is the interesting looking groundworks going on around the former Irish customs post on the Derry to Letterkenny road. Interestingly there is no sign of similar activity on the Norniron side of the "border".
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