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Potemkin Villager

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Potemkin Villager

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vtsnowedin
Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 5004 Location: New England ,Chelsea Vermont
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:22 am Post subject: |
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One of the wife's cousins has a beach house in Maine that is a bit under water. From the picture they Face booked about a foot above the ground floor. |
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kenneal - lagger Site Admin
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 10762 Location: Newbury, Berkshire
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All the "proof" that US deniers need that global warming is a sham!! How can we have global warming if it's so cold even in Florida? Prats! _________________ As Steve Keen puts it: “Capital without energy is a statue; labour without energy is a corpse.” Economics ignores this which is why economics is broken. |
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emordnilap

Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 14385 Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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Bridge collapses in Italy during severe rain
What a nightmare for those people.
Expect more destruction of this kind as weather worsens and infrastructure fails to be maintained. _________________ "Buddhists say we come back as animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren’t lesser beings, they’re just like us. So I say fụck the Buddhists" - Bjork |
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kenneal - lagger Site Admin
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 10762 Location: Newbury, Berkshire
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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I've amended the above from Spain to Italy for you, Em.
As the bridge was quoted as being built in the 1960s there could have been some Mafia interference in the bridge building resulting in underspec materials being used. There are at least two spans of the bridge collapsed which would be unlikely to have been caused by the lightning strike that the bridge was reported to have received immediately before collapse. Judging by the 40ft container lorry stopped on the bridge it looks more like 250m have collapsed rather than the 100m quoted. _________________ As Steve Keen puts it: “Capital without energy is a statue; labour without energy is a corpse.” Economics ignores this which is why economics is broken. |
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emordnilap

Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 14385 Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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kenneal - lagger wrote: | I've amended the above from Spain to Italy for you, Em. |
Genoa, I always thought that was in Spain.  _________________ "Buddhists say we come back as animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren’t lesser beings, they’re just like us. So I say fụck the Buddhists" - Bjork |
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adam2 Site Admin

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 6937 Location: North Somerset
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that mafia involvement seems probable.
A defective structure is of course more likely to fail during extreme weather than on a calm mild day.
Two modes of failure occur to me.
Firstly a lightning strike, in passing through the steel reinforcing the current can heat the steel to the point of danger, and also the heat can turn trapped water into steam and thus shatter the concrete.
Reinforced concrete structures should of course be designed to withstand lightning, but if the steel reinforcement was already smaller than it should have been ?
Or if the lightning was intended to be conducted to earth by an external lightning conductor, and that precaution was undersized, or completely omitted, or later stolen ?
Another possibility is failure of a vertical support due to floodwater undermining the foundations, a much more likely eventuality if these were less deep or less substantial than called for by the designer. _________________ "Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more" |
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fuzzy
Joined: 29 Nov 2013 Posts: 822 Location: The Marches, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I would guess salt corrosion. Genoa is a fairly temperate historic coastal city. Very worth a visit. |
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kenneal - lagger Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Just stay off motorway bridges. Or any bridge for that matter!! _________________ As Steve Keen puts it: “Capital without energy is a statue; labour without energy is a corpse.” Economics ignores this which is why economics is broken. |
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kenneal - lagger Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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I thought that it could be foundation failure in the heavy rain but, from the pictures, at least one of the foundations seems to be unmoved at its base although the structure above has collapsed. _________________ As Steve Keen puts it: “Capital without energy is a statue; labour without energy is a corpse.” Economics ignores this which is why economics is broken. |
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raspberry-blower
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Business Insider: Before and After photos of the Genoa bridge collapse _________________ A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools - Douglas Adams. |
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Potemkin Villager

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1079 Location: Narnia
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emordnilap

Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 14385 Location: Houǝsʇlʎ' ᴉʇ,s ɹǝɐllʎ uoʇ ʍoɹʇɥ ʇɥǝ ǝɟɟoɹʇ' pou,ʇ ǝʌǝu qoʇɥǝɹ˙
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Thanks. Good article, it chimes with things I mull over almost daily.
Quote: | Far from waking up and taking action, we see that the human species is becoming increasingly mired in obsessing over geopolitical and economic competition, self-defeating acts of ‘self’-preservation (where the ‘self’ is completely misidentified), and focused entirely on projecting problems onto the ‘Other’. |
Yes. 99.9999999% do nothing when not blaming others.
This bit got me:
Quote: | A key signifier of how insidious this is, is in yourself. Look to see how your critical preoccupations are not with yourself or those with which you identify; but that and those whom you oppose and consider to be ‘wrong.’ |
Is this really true? I hope not but fear it is. A standard British mid-to-late-20th century education can instil in you a guilty conscience about absolutely anything.  _________________ "Buddhists say we come back as animals and they refer to them as lesser beings. Well, animals aren’t lesser beings, they’re just like us. So I say fụck the Buddhists" - Bjork |
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