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Merits of reintroduction of locally extinct wildlife
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catweazle wrote:
Grey Squirrel is tasty, a bit like the darker meat you get near the bone of a chicken leg.

A quick trip to the woods with an air rifle can provide a nice meal of squirrel, pigeon and chestnut.


Agree. Grey squirrels do taste quite nice. The introduction of wild boar will provide even better eating.

Also, a friend of mine has a licence for and owns a .22 and a .170 rifle firearm and this opens up lots of possibilities...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would need a .243 at least to shoot a boar, I would think. It's illegal to shoot a deer with less than a .243 and a boar is a much bigger beast.

You'd have to go a long way to shoot a fava bean!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. The adult boars would need something more substantial.

The only things I've seen shot have been some paper targets Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AutomaticEarth wrote:
True. The adult boars would need something more substantial.

The only things I've seen shot have been some paper targets Laughing

My 7x57 Mauser would be just the thing for boar. The long 175 grain bullet penetrates deep and expands well. Factory ammo in that weight travels 2450 fps. I've shot both a moose and a black bear with mine plus several deer.
You might know this cartridge as the 275 Rigby.
My next choice would be a 308 Winchester shooting 180 gr. soft nosed bullets.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A single young Lynx that escaped from a wild life park in Wales has been killed by the local council. "the risk to the public had increased to severe" according to the council.
The owners of the lynx differ and are very critical of the council.

There seems little hope of a re-introduction of lynx in the UK if a local council feel that the animals are this dangerous. Most experts consider that a lynx is most unlikely to attack a grown human.
Whilst a baby or toddler might in theory be at risk, they are arguably at greater risk from large or ill behaved dogs.

And yes I know that this thread is some years old, but saw no merit in starting another about lynx.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-41953073
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
A single young Lynx that escaped from a wild life park in Wales has been killed by the local council. "the risk to the public had increased to severe" according to the council.
The owners of the lynx differ and are very critical of the council.

There seems little hope of a re-introduction of lynx in the UK if a local council feel that the animals are this dangerous. Most experts consider that a lynx is most unlikely to attack a grown human.
Whilst a baby or toddler might in theory be at risk, they are arguably at greater risk from large or ill behaved dogs.

And yes I know that this thread is some years old, but saw no merit in starting another about lynx.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-41953073

Unless the lynx was rabid killing it was totally unnecessary. Just shows you that people that don't ever interact with wild animals have no idea of their abilities and have perceptions they have gained by watching cartoons from Disney.
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Committees are far more dangerous than any creature.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emordnilap wrote:
Committees are far more dangerous than any creature.
Yes Quite!
It has been said that a committee can reach a decision that is dumber then anyone of the members.
Watch that play out as you go through the Brexit process.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
........ There are documented cases of wolves killing people in colonial America including early Vermont. ........


There are documented cases of wolves killing people in Europe in the Middle Ages too. I know that wolves have been much more scarce since those long ago times but it's funny how it was all so long ago and wolves seem since then to have seen the error of their ways.

It seems to me to be a convenient excuse for one top carnivore to eradicate another top carnivore.


I have never ever thought about wolf reintroduction being a problem - I thought, that hunters can keep their populations in check pretty well - especially when people live everywhere already. But then I also heard many farmers REALLY hating the idea of wolf reintroduction. They were really upset and said that it's not possible to share our land with them anymore. It made me sad because this argument clearly indicates what most people, who do not know anything about living with animals (which is majority these days), will think about this matter. Yes, wolves can do a lot of harm to sheep flocks, but there are many ways how to minimize these negative human-wildlife encounters by respecting natural needs of both worlds.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I am open to the idea of the reintroduction of top carnivores I can also sympathise with farmers on this, keeping cattle myself. Livestock farming is marginal in most places in the UK at the moment and it is only the subsidies which keep most livestock farmers going. To introduce carnivores, with the attendant losses and no compensation, would probably put most farmers over the edge. To get any compensation if it were to be available would usually involve jumping through too many hoops to be worthwhile. The British administrator doesn't like giving money away to ordinary people like farmers!
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If wolves were reintroduced they would probably be protected so that they didn't get shot straight away. If that protection was anything like what has happened with badgers, their elevation to sainthood, the wolf population would probably have to get to the level where it was endangering the human population before the protection was lifted. By which time, as with badgers and TB, we would be paying hundreds of millions to farmers every year in compensation for their losses.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to say, "Welcome Kukunir!"
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kukunir wrote:
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.......... It made me sad because this argument clearly indicates what most people, who do not know anything about living with animals (which is majority these days), will think about this matter. Yes, wolves can do a lot of harm to sheep flocks, but there are many ways how to minimize these negative human-wildlife encounters by respecting natural needs of both worlds.
As wolves can bring down a full grown bull moose there are no domestic livestock in the UK that can stand a chance against them especially as the majority of UK farmers are allowed no weapons beyond a shotgun. Before reintroducing any wolves to the UK responsible leaders will reintroduce the the 275 Rigby and 303 British into the hands of all farmers and all their farm help,s hands and make sure they are properly trained in their use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsD8jdYd4_0
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're a farmer in the UK it is probably easier for you to get a firearm than anyone else as you own land to shoot over. As an aside, as a result of this more farmers commit suicide by shooting than any other group of people.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:
If you're a farmer in the UK it is probably easier for you to get a firearm than anyone else as you own land to shoot over. As an aside, as a result of this more farmers commit suicide by shooting than any other group of people.
It annoys me when anti gun adherents lump gun suicides in with gun homicides. They are two entirely different things. Total suicide rates are not that different between the USA and the UK only you are forced to hang yourselves or overdose on drugs both of which can be hard to do if your already in a wheel chair. In Japan many walk in front of bullet trains. The end result is the same.
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