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vtsnowedin



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who among us can store a year or two supply of petrol? (To me gasoline).
Not many if you are honest about it. So you might as well make your plans based on not having any gas or diesel you did not produce yourself.
If some happens to be available that is all to the good but if it is not there you should have a plan for survival that works without it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vtsnowedin wrote:
Who among us can store a year or two supply of petrol? (To me gasoline).
Not many if you are honest about it. So you might as well make your plans based on not having any gas or diesel you did not produce yourself.
If some happens to be available that is all to the good but if it is not there you should have a plan for survival that works without it.


Very few of us could store enough petrol for a year or twos normal use, but IMHO it is still worth storing the maximum amount permitted by law, in the UK provided that this can be done safely.

Firstly many people are reliant on a car for travel to work. It would be well to have sufficient fuel on hand for at least a few weeks of commuting. If normal fuel supplies are not restored in a few weeks, then that indicates a fairly serious situation and you may no longer have a job, so not a long term concern.

Alternatively, a modest stash of petrol could last some years if reserved for medical or other emergencies rather than being used routinely.

I keep a supply of petrol and I don't even have a driving licence ! Many friends and neighbours do drive and would probably be able to give me a lift in an emergency, provided that I COULD REPLACE THE SCARCE PETROL CONSUMED.
And in the event of TEOTWAWKI I could drive if the situation was serious enough that lack of a licence or insurance was irrelevant.

Finally petrol could be a valuable article of trade

"I promise to pay the bearer on demand at Fellbridge camp fifty gallons of petrol"

"Trust adam2, trust his petrol notes"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:

Finally petrol could be a valuable article of trade

"I promise to pay the bearer on demand at Fellbridge camp fifty gallons of petrol"

"Trust adam2, trust his petrol notes"

Back during the first energy crisis there was a bumper sticker that showed a pretty girl in a mini skirt holding a joint in one hand and a gas can in the other. The legend read Grass , Gas or A$$, Nobody rides free Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have recently used some paraffin that had been stored for 8 years and found that some loss by evaporation has apparently occurred.
4 liter plastic containers held only about 3 liters. This I find surprising as paraffin is not volatile as petrol is and I would expect it to keep well even in plastic.

I have therefore decided that longer term paraffin stocks should be placed into good quality steel jerry cans.
I have been reluctant to decant paraffin into jerry cans in the past lest it be confused with petrol.
However I have now found a supplier of steel jerry cans in blue, the colour traditionally recommended for paraffin, so as to avoid confusion with petrol which was stored in red containers.

https://www.jerrycans.co.uk/contact-us

Supplier of jerry cans in various colours including blue. I have no connection with the above supplier.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
I have recently used some paraffin that had been stored for 8 years and found that some loss by evaporation has apparently occurred.
4 liter plastic containers held only about 3 liters. This I find surprising as paraffin is not volatile as petrol is and I would expect it to keep well even in plastic.

I have therefore decided that longer term paraffin stocks should be placed into good quality steel jerry cans.
I have been reluctant to decant paraffin into jerry cans in the past lest it be confused with petrol.
However I have now found a supplier of steel jerry cans in blue, the colour traditionally recommended for paraffin, so as to avoid confusion with petrol which was stored in red containers.

https://www.jerrycans.co.uk/contact-us

Supplier of jerry cans in various colours including blue. I have no connection with the above supplier.

You could always just spray paint your red steel can. Even stored in steel drums or tanks, diesel , kerosene or paraffin as you call it does deteriorate over time albeit much more slowly then gasoline/petrol. Rotating stock , first in first out is the best solution.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:

I keep a supply of petrol and I don't even have a driving licence ! Many friends and neighbours do drive and would probably be able to give me a lift in an emergency, provided that I COULD REPLACE THE SCARCE PETROL CONSUMED.


As I understand petrol sold in the U.K. has alcohol added , up to 5% if I recall, and that makes the fuel slightly hygroscopic causing it to "go off". Recommendations are metal containers filled as closely as possible to reduce the air gap but I did wonder about using petrol sparingly and the rest degrading in the can. If you were to use yours as suggested in your post would you then decant the remainder into smaller cans or perhaps , as I've heard suggested , drop glass marbles into the van to raise the level to the top?
One other question. Assuming the stored petrol has gone off or is considered unfit to use in a vehicle or generator would I be correct in believing it would still be useable in something as crude as a Benghazi cooker?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In view of the situation in Saudi Arabia, might I suggest reviewing stocks of oil derived fuels.
If you use oil central heating, have the tank filled.
If you drive, keep vehicle tanks well filled.
If you use petrol, store the maximum amount permitted by law.
If you use diesel fuel, consider large stocks.
If you use paraffin/kerosene, keep ample stocks.
LPG, likewise.
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