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johnhemming2
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Fiat currencies have some value by being legal tender within a jurisdiction. Otherwise they might as well be tulip bulbs.
Secondly remote voting is very vulnerable to election fraud simply because the secret ballot disappears. It does not matter what cryptographic systems you use because that is irrelevant. |
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kenneal - lagger Site Admin
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 10762 Location: Newbury, Berkshire
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Judging by the way Bitcoin is going it is tulip bulbs! _________________ As Steve Keen puts it: “Capital without energy is a statue; labour without energy is a corpse.” Economics ignores this which is why economics is broken. |
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johnhemming2
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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kenneal - lagger wrote: | Judging by the way Bitcoin is going it is tulip bulbs! |
I think you are probably right. It is the sort of thing that people jump in on in the hope of offloading it just before the peak.
However, it doesn't even have the value of being legal tender anywhere. |
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vtsnowedin
Joined: 07 Jan 2011 Posts: 5004 Location: New England ,Chelsea Vermont
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:47 am Post subject: |
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If the ladies under the lamp posts and in the titty bars start excepting bitcoin it will be as the coin of the Realm. Until then it is just imitation money.  |
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Mark

Joined: 13 Dec 2007 Posts: 1020 Location: NW England
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Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:49 am Post subject: |
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vtsnowedin wrote: | If the ladies under the lamp posts and in the titty bars start accepting bitcoin it will be as the coin of the Realm. Until then it is just imitation money.  |
The Titbitcoin ? |
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UndercoverElephant

Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Posts: 9063 Location: south east England
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:46 am Post subject: |
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I am not at all sure that trying to prosecute Puigedemont and 13 other Catalan nationalist leaders for "sedition" and "rebellion" is going to prove a wise long-term move. What is he going to do? Go back to face the charges, and make himself into a political prisoner and effective martyr for the separatist cause? Can't see that playing into Madrid's hands very well. Or stay in Belgium and claim asylum? A citizen of an EU country claiming asylum in another EU country?? What precedent does that set?
This isn't over. |
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PS_RalphW

Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 5411 Location: Cambridge
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:11 am Post subject: |
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Belgium would hand him over to Spain the day the arrest warrant was signed. |
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johnhemming2
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:58 am Post subject: |
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I think it would need an EAW rather than just an Arrest Warrant, but if he wants protection from the Spanish authorities he would probably have to go to Russia.
There is in fact a rule which makes it nigh on impossibly to get Asylum in one EEA country against other EEA countries. I helped some UK citizens try to get Asylum unsuccessfully in the RoI against the UK (Childrens issues, baby stealing that sort of thing).
On the same point, however, a mother from the USA was given Asylum in the Netherlands. |
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kenneal - lagger Site Admin
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 10762 Location: Newbury, Berkshire
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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johnhemming2 wrote: | I think it would need an EAW rather than just an Arrest Warrant, but if he wants protection from the Spanish authorities he would probably have to go to Russia...... |
How about an Ecuadorian embassy? _________________ As Steve Keen puts it: “Capital without energy is a statue; labour without energy is a corpse.” Economics ignores this which is why economics is broken. |
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Lord Beria3

Joined: 25 Feb 2009 Posts: 4402 Location: Moscow Russia
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I've bought bitcoin and have no regrets.
It is a bull market and is clearly not a bubble, yet. _________________ Peace always has been and always will be an intermittent flash of light in a dark history of warfare, violence, and destruction |
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kenneal - lagger Site Admin
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 10762 Location: Newbury, Berkshire
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Lord Beria3 wrote: | ...It is a bull market and is clearly not a bubble, yet. |
When did Dutch bulbs become a bubble?
From Capital & Conflict
Quote: | For smart-thinking investors… this co-ordinated monetary ‘coup’ could open up gains like 6,560%… or even 48,900% over the coming months and years… |
At least with a bulb you could plant it and grow something beautiful. If bitcoin goes you have literally nothing! _________________ As Steve Keen puts it: “Capital without energy is a statue; labour without energy is a corpse.” Economics ignores this which is why economics is broken. |
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johnhemming2
Joined: 30 Jun 2015 Posts: 2160
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:25 am Post subject: |
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kenneal - lagger wrote: | Lord Beria3 wrote: | ...It is a bull market and is clearly not a bubble, yet. |
When did Dutch bulbs become a bubble?
From Capital & Conflict
Quote: | For smart-thinking investors… this co-ordinated monetary ‘coup’ could open up gains like 6,560%… or even 48,900% over the coming months and years… |
At least with a bulb you could plant it and grow something beautiful. If bitcoin goes you have literally nothing! |
Actually you might have some mathematically curious prime numbers, but I have not studied bitcoin. |
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adam2 Site Admin

Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 6937 Location: North Somerset
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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8 ministers from Catalonia have just been jailed by the Spanish authorities.
I rather doubt that this will end peacefully.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41850094 _________________ "Installers and owners of emergency diesels must assume that they will have to run for a week or more" |
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UndercoverElephant

Joined: 10 Mar 2008 Posts: 9063 Location: south east England
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a very bad move, strategically, by the Spanish government. Doesn't make much difference whether Puigdemont ends up in exile or in prison, either way he becomes a symbol of anti-democratic oppression of Catalonia by Madrid.
It is very difficult to see how this can be resolved any other way than by holding another referendum, this time legitimised by the Spanish government. |
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johnhemming2
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Foolish of the Spanish government. The harder they respond the more there will be Catalan support for independence. |
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