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emordnilap



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feck. Jealousy. (Not about the marriage, of course, just having such understanding and generous friends.)

Good luck and long life to the newlyweds.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that numerous generous gifts have been received, a little shopping is in order.
New and bigger inverter.
New and bigger battery.
Re-wiring
2 washing machines.
Saw bench.
Large workbench.
Electric cycle.

BTW these are not the ones whom recently purchased the small woodland, but they are nearby, know each other, and will be assisting in managing the wood.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New battery now installed 24 volt, 2,800 A/H, with a center tap to give both 12 volt and 24 volt supply.
The wind turbine and 2 large PV modules charge the whole 24 volt battery.
Two smaller PV modules, each 115 watts, each charge one half of the battery so as to ensure that both halves are correctly charged.

New inverter installed, 24 volt input, 5,500 watt output. Ample for heavy power loads, though these are usually run from the generator.

The electric saw bench has proved very unsatisfactory, the supplied motor being very inadeqaute.
A very large DC motor is being sourced instead.

Rewiring to a rather better standard than originaly is largely completed.

New generator (unexpected and very generous wedding gift) installed in a purpose built shed. Normally run for an hour or two on alternate days.

The only recent mishaps have been a chimney fire, and subsequent collapse of the chimney.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:

The only recent mishaps have been a chimney fire, and subsequent collapse of the chimney.
So that's why sweeps are considered good luck at weddings Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update, after 5 years.

Still happily married.
A second chimney fire, despite regular sweeping, prompted a complete new chimney.
The market gardening operation was not profitable and has been downsized.
They have leased extra land and keep sheep on this, profitably.
Pigs did poorly and they no longer keep them as a business, but still fatten the odd one to eat.

The PV modules and wind turbines have given complete satisfaction, the battery works well but must be at least half way through its life.
DC refrigeration works perfectly.

The shotguns have seen a lot of use, mainly to kill the wretched Canada geese, of which there is a plague.

They are fostering children, normally two, but they did have a third one short term. This was a bit of a struggle despite the need for more foster parents.
The authorities take a very dim view of shotguns, livestock, wood stoves, lead acid batteries, and lack of mains electricity.
The fostered children are disabled and have coped far better with rural life than was expected, they cant walk any distance but get around just fine on electric quad bikes.
An additional wind turbine ensures plenty of current for charging these vehicles.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

adam2 wrote:
Update, after 5 years.


The shotguns have seen a lot of use, mainly to kill the wretched Canada geese, of which there is a plague.

They are fostering children, normally two, but they did have a third one short term. This was a bit of a struggle despite the need for more foster parents.
The authorities take a very dim view of shotguns, livestock, wood stoves, lead acid batteries, and lack of mains electricity.


Good for them. I never told his mother but our eldest had his first experience driving a tractor on a neighbours farm when he was 11.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our five year old grandson, and his sister when she was that age, regularly sit on there Dad's lap and steer the car up our drive. Their Dad was a very nervous driver to start with and I think he wants them to feel confident about driving asap. Seems very sensible to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Five years old? What chance self driving cars being commonplace a decade or so from now?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
Five years old? What chance self driving cars being commonplace a decade or so from now?

At the rate things change today I expect self driving Uber cars to dominate inner city traffic in just five years. They will spread out from there but the truly rural driver will be the last to move to self driving or electric powered cars. That is just a matter of each driver/ passenger making their own decisions in their own best interest.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a snowball's chance in a very hot place of having the majority of cars in inner cities being self driving (if you mean the cars do the driving). There has been talk for decades of having flying cars for commuters, that hasn't got very far.

Problems now will still be around in 5 years
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodburner wrote:
Not a snowball's chance in a very hot place of having the majority of cars in inner cities being self driving (if you mean the cars do the driving). There has been talk for decades of having flying cars for commuters, that hasn't got very far.

Problems now will still be around in 5 years

Flying cars is a physics problem which may not ever have a practical solution. Autonomous self driving cars on the other hand is a problem of sensors and controls, all of which seem to have been recently worked out satisfactorily. Considering the cost of parking spaces and cab drivers salaries in urban areas a fleet of driver-less cabs controlled by a central mainframe computer has a tremendous competitive advantage.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes... Yes... of course.

The eventual automation of work leading to a situation where nobody need be employed any more, thus maximising profits to their maximum extent, sounds like an absolutely capital idea. One in which there seems to be no downside whatsoever apart from the fact that there will be no-one left with any money to purchase the good or services, of course.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
Yes... Yes... of course.

The eventual automation of work leading to a situation where nobody need be employed any more, thus maximising profits to their maximum extent, sounds like an absolutely capital idea. One in which there seems to be no downside whatsoever apart from the fact that there will be no-one left with any money to purchase the good or services, of course.

Perhaps we will endow each newborn with sufficient shares of the robot corporations stock to provide them with a basic income for life.
At the very least we need to find a way to get the robots to pay the taxes that used to be paid by the workers they replaced.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
Yes... Yes... of course.

The eventual automation of work leading to a situation where nobody need be employed any more, thus maximising profits to their maximum extent, sounds like an absolutely capital idea. One in which there seems to be no downside whatsoever apart from the fact that there will be no-one left with any money to purchase the good or services, of course.


Clearly this is where some form of universal basic income becomes inevitable. It's not in anyone's interested, least of all the capitalists for no one to have any money.

The 'profits' can still be generated (with a lot less work due to automation) the challenge is the the tax system and social politics to keep up with change, heading off the scenario of a few thousand trillionaires and a few billion paupers.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
Clearly this is where some form of universal basic income becomes inevitable. It's not in anyone's interested, least of all the capitalists for no one to have any money.

Which is what Universal Credit is supposed to be. The key thing is the marginal rate of taxation as people earn money separate to the basic income.

There is a second question as to whether people should be expected to make some contribution to society to qualify for a basic income.

The change that is needed to make the UC system work better in this sense is to accept that people will work part time.
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