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Little John



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnhemming2 wrote:
clv101 wrote:
The carbon arithmetic presented so clearly by Kevin Anderson makes it clear the 2 degree target is impossible without imminent, dramatic, rapid action - action which absolutely isn't forthcoming.

I have not looked at the carbon arithmetic, but I think you are probably right in the round if not the specific. The relatively mild actions so far have resulted in Trumpery.
You think that's the reason for Trump?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Little John wrote:
johnhemming2 wrote:
clv101 wrote:
The carbon arithmetic presented so clearly by Kevin Anderson makes it clear the 2 degree target is impossible without imminent, dramatic, rapid action - action which absolutely isn't forthcoming.

I have not looked at the carbon arithmetic, but I think you are probably right in the round if not the specific. The relatively mild actions so far have resulted in Trumpery.
You think that's the reason for Trump?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

No I don't think that's the reason for Trump. It has, however, resulted in him saying
the idiot - even more of an idiot than varoufakis wrote:

The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en-gb

I think that is adequately described as Trumpery. (ie drivel)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clv101 wrote:
the 2 degree target is impossible without imminent, dramatic, rapid action - action which absolutely isn't forthcoming.


Nutshell, big time.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Brian Hoskins emailed this link this morning although it's something that we have already commented on here.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever changes are happening are unlikely to be linear.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnhemming2 wrote:
Whatever changes are happening are unlikely to be linear.


I think that is why Hansen et al are predicting up top seven metres of sea level rise by the end of the century.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This article has been gaining some attention:

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6331/1269.full
http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/3/23/15028480/roadmap-paris-climate-goals
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Climate Crisis as seen by the economics mainstream

Fascinating, in a scary, repulsive sort of way.

Take, for instance:

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So for Nordhaus, the aim of the exercise is to do the sums and find the level of climate mitigation effort that minimises the costs of climate change AND the costs of mitigation when added together – all discounted back to present values.


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Nordhaus speculates that there will be some benefits of extra recreation in the US from a warmer world, but some loss of life elsewhere


Economists really are the scum of the earth and get far more attention than their predictions merit.

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This is what a group of powerful people look like when they lose touch with reality


Hear fecking hear.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When they discount back to present values they are putting a much lower value on future benefits, i.e. the lives of our children and grandchildren, than they are on ours. So we will be much better off than our offspring because our politicians who listen to our economists have arranged it that way.

Truly scumbags!!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't actually understand why people discount the future. I mean, I'm allowed to b/c my heart might pack it in soon (I still don't, though, b/c of the younger Renewables). But *normal* people? Why?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that normal people, if normal is people who think about things, discount the future. It is economists who regularly do it and on a professional basis as well!!

By the way, welcome back, Candy. You've been doing a bit of reading in the past few days by the look of the number of posts recently!
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