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emordnilap



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:50 pm    Post subject: the paul wheaton eco scale Reply with quote

Where are you?

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It goes like this:

wheaton eco level 0: about 5 billion people
wheaton eco level 1: about a billion people
wheaton eco level 2: about 100 million people
wheaton eco level 3: about 10 million people
wheaton eco level 4: about a million people
wheaton eco level 5: about 100,000 people
wheaton eco level 6: about 10,000 people
wheaton eco level 7: about a thousand people
wheaton eco level 8: about 100 people
wheaton eco level 9: about 10 people
wheaton eco level 10: Sepp Holzer

Observation 1: most people find folks one or two levels up took pretty cool. People three levels up look a bit nutty. People four of five levels up look downright crazy. People six levels up should probably be institutionalized. I find the latter reactions to be inappropriate.

Observations 2: most people find folks one level back are ignorant. Two levels back are assholes. Any further back and they should be shot on sight for the betterment of society as a whole. I find that all of these reactions are innapropriate.

Finally: I can put whoever I want at the spot of eco level 10. I choose the mighty Sepp Holzer and I don't give a damn if you think somebody else should sit in that spot on my scale.

Level 1: is thinking about the environment. Bought fluorescent light bulbs. Is trying to do a good job of recycling. Reads an article or two.

Level 2: 30% of purchased food is organic

Level 3: Has an organic garden and 80% of purchased food is organic

Level 4: Grow 40% of their own food. Studying permaculture.

Level 5: has taken a PDC and/or grows 90% of their own food

Level 6: Moving away from fluorescent light bulbs. Living a footprint that is 10 times lighter than average. Maybe living in community. Maybe living in something very small.

Level 7: Permaculture teacher

Level 8: Doing things that are currently improving the world in big ways

Level 9: masanobu fukuoka, paul stamets, art ludwig, bill mollison, ianto evans ....


Video source or permies source.

The step from 1 to 2 is quite a leap but it's not linear of course. Organic is still a niche interest, even for shoppers and definitely for retailers.

We're between 4 & 7. Not 90% of our own food grown but close to 100% organic food (and often clothes) consumption for nearly three decades and TOH will teach the basics of permaculture/veganic growing.

I disagree totally entirely with his observation that that levels "higher" look crazy or whatever (to me of course, he does say 'most people find...'). I want everyone to to be 11, it should be normal.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody interested? Laughing

Do you think the scale is a bit harsh, maybe, given the way the world has been set up?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he reduced the sample to exclude people in the developing countries, I'd be happy to play along. Sepp Holzer probably still has more impact on the biosphere than a Masai herder or a Bengali fisherman, even if it's just through generating youtube views.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes - but don't forget his "I find that all of these reactions are inappropriate" when referring to levels back from one's own. He proposes that it's a duty for those in 'higher' levels help those in 'lower'.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I think you've missed featherstick's point...in drawing up this scale and its various populations, he seems only to have included those who have reached a particular level by their own choice. Thus, an Afghan farmer or similar (fully organic, wouldn't recognise a lightbulb if it fell on his head) is already at level 6, and there are demonstrably more than 10,000 of him (or her).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I take your point RC.

There again, his numbers might exclude them, if only accidentally. Wink (Add 'em up).
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